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Has anyone had the problem with Perle Noire turning grayish in colour?

I have my Lamy Safari 1.1mm stubb inked up with J herbins Perle Noire.


After the initial inking when the feed is swimming in ink, the colour put on the page is a very deep rich black with absolutely no shading whatsoever.


After a few pages the colour seemingly turns grayish with some shading.


It's no longer the deep black black black like I was expecting. It's not a flow problem I'm pretty sure because the nib glides across the page.


The ink is just less saturated than what I was expecting.


Has anyone experienced this with this or any other black ink???

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Could be that the ink is merely super saturated on account of the pen being full to brimming with ink, which would increase inkflow. However, after writing for a while it's only safe to assume that the ink won't come out in as great a volume— the feed will be less saturated, the capillary pressure won't be as great, etc. Basically, it's unreasonable to expect that the ink will be as saturated on the page when writing near the end of a fill (or, indeed, in the middle of one) as opposed to when it's newly filled.


Perhaps the grayish-black is its natural colour? J. Herbin inks aren't known for being very saturated, their 1670 line aside. I've yet to try that ink, since I prefer sticking to the basics for my "daily use ink" with brands like Skrip, Quink, Lamy, Cross, etc., so I can't speak for myself about how it performs normally.


I suppose you could try tweaking the nib and hacking the feed to make your Lamy write a lot wetter, if you want to maintain that level of saturation. A warning, though: that'll probably use up your converter's ink capacity after no more than a couple of pages.



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In my experience, which is confirmed by a number of ink reviews and comments on FPN, Perle Noire is an unusually black ink. I haven't got a bottle at hand right now, but when I did use the ink every day it didn't start black and then fade to gray after a few pages. Perle Noire is arguably a little less black than Aurora black, but I found it pretty darned black. And an all-round well-behaved ink.

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I have filled several journals with Perle Noire. I have never used it with fountain pens, though -- always with dip pens. That being the case, my pens run low at the end of each dip; that is several times per page. I have never noticed the ink going gray when that happens. The line just becomes narrower.

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I have noticed this with other inks when using a Lamy Safari. I think it's the converter's fault. Something to do with surface tension.

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I have noticed this with other inks when using a Lamy Safari. I think it's the converter's fault. Something to do with surface tension.


I've noticed this with my Lamy aswell.

I've inked it up with different inks before and they all lose quite a bit of their saturation after a little bit of writing.

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Probably less flow thus less ink. As stated above it could be surface tension holding the ink high in the converter. Give the pen a quick tap or put a ball bearing inside the converter. Change of ink may solve this.

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I think you've gotten some pretty solid advice here. The Lamy converters I've used are more prone to surface tension and thus inks can look washed out. Try the ink in another pen, and try another ink in that pen. Also, if you are have flow problems, a good flush is a great thing.

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