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Parker 51 Burgundy Color Difference. Please Help.


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Hello dear FPN community!

I am still on my way in assembling my "perfect" writing instrument.. And recently i received the replacement for my burgundy parker51 hood. But i found its color being different from barrel. Please explain me, what can be the reason of that and also if i will order barrel in future, how do i specify the color so it will match the new hood.

Some clarification: the barrel doesnt have any imprint, the hole is at the back. On photo you can see the old barrel with a new hood and color difference is well shown there (spent 1 hour making photos).

 

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They are 2 burgundy in US production (one is darker), and the UK one is also different from the American burgundy.

I don't known for the Canadian 51.

 

The specialist of this model will confirm, ( or not).

 

Regards

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I am certainly not a P51 expert, but have had some small experience in trying to colour match plastics between batches.

 

The colourant materials used to colour plastics are VERY, VERY intense. In an injection moulded lid for a container my company made, we had a 3kg lid. It worked out that with 3.05grams +/- 0.02grams of colour per lid we got a colour we wanted, and with either 3.00 or 3.10grams it was an unacceptably wrong colour, either too wishy-washy or too dark. And in bigger batches (300kg of plastic) with slightly uneven mixing of the colour to the plastic some lids were OK and some were not. That was within the one batch. Think of the difficulty when the plastic between batches is different & the colourant can be different. With the best will in the world, it is a near impossible job to get right.

Then continue to do it over a 20 year model life... It would be astonishing if there weren't any colour differences!

 

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Richard

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Thanks for replies!

But i am still lost a bit :) Can anyone determine whether its a USA/England/Canadian color... or both are USA and in future i have to just specify something to get the right barrel?

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The same color could vary from one batch to the next. At one time if you wanted to paint your house, you needed to make sure all the cans came from the same batch as the next one might be a slightly different shade or tint. Same with the old plastic in P 51 batches.

And the end of all our exploring

Will be to arrive where we started

And know the place for the first time. TS Eliot

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I have found three burgundies:

 

1. USA burgundy, a very dark burgundy

2. English burgundy, a blood red

3. Argentine burgundy, almost a carmine (more bluish).

"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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I believe there are 2 different shades of Burgundy in U.S. Aeros.

 

Plus Bloody Brit Burgundy and Pajaro's Argentine Burgundy.

 

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

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in future i have to just specify something to get the right barrel?

 

This one. The colors varied between pens and the plastics would often fade or discolor overtime (Dove Gray and Navy Gray especially).

Parker: Sonnet Flighter, Rialto Red Metallic Laque, IM Chiseled Gunmetal, Latitude Stainless, 45 Black, Duovac Blue Pearl Striped, 51 Standard Black, Vac Jr. Black, 51 Aero Black, 51 Vac Blue Cedar, Duofold Jr. Lapis, 51 Aero Demi Black, 51 Aero Demi Teal, 51 Aero Navy Gray, Duofold Pastel Moire Violet, Vac Major Golden Brown, Vac Deb. Emerald, 51 Vac Dove Gray, Vac Major Azure, Vac Jr. Silver Pearl, 51 Vac Black GF Cap, 51 Forest Green GF cap, Vac Jr. Silver Pearl, Duovac Senior Green & Gold, Duovac Deb. Black, Challenger Black, 51 Aero Midnight, Vac. Emerald Jr., Challenger Gray Pearl, 51 Vac Black, Duofold Int. Black, Duofold Jr. Red.

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By the way... Is there any chance that my barrel is plum? Because when i look at it under daylight it really looks plumish (sort of dark purple)

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This one. The colors varied between pens and the plastics would often fade or discolor overtime (Dove Gray and Navy Gray especially).

 

I had thought that the burgundy colors darkened over time, but Old Griz said very firmly that they didn't. He was very sure of that.

"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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By the way... Is there any chance that my barrel is plum? Because when i look at it under daylight it really looks plumish (sort of dark purple)

 

I suppose it's pussible you got a plum hood, but, if you did, you have a valuable part.

 

In the pic, in the center is English burgundy pen, plum pen, USA burgundy pencil, plum pencil, cordovan pencil, gray pen. Shows you some of these colors together in good light. In good light the differences become obvious.

 

 

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"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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<Bowing my head in remembrance of the fallen soldier, the all Yellow Kulllock. May he rest in pieces. :P >

 

Bruce in Ocala, Fl-and knocking on Argentine wood here...

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Yes, the all yellow pen broke. Cap and hood broken, but the barrel remains to rabblerouse, if I put it with a black pen's section and works and, say, a hammered gold cap. I was bummed out for a while but was bouyed up by thoughts of future possibilities. I used the silver plated clip and yellow cap jewel somewhere. Oldtimers again.

"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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Though I doubt Paul intended it so, I find it a very "artfully masterful" pic.

 

At first I bristle at it. It reminds me of sitting on my Grandmother's kitchen table and dumping out all the toothpicks out of the shotglass she kept them on the table in to play with them. Building things with them stacking them up.

 

But at the same time it reminds me that, really, they're Just Pens. It coddles the Accumuluser side of me. ;)

 

The pic I love not really knowing how I feel about it.

 

Great shot Paul.

 

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

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Question about Plum... Is it necessary that plum version should have an imprint on a barrell with date code?

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Both years, 48 and 49, had the imprint. The imprint could possibly be worn down or off. If the pen is in decent shape you would expect to see an imprint.

"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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Both years, 48 and 49, had the imprint. The imprint could possibly be worn down or off. If the pen is in decent shape you would expect to see an imprint.

 

Thank you! So in general all pens (vacs and aerometrics) up to 1952 had imprints on barrel?

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Yes. I have had some pens, both vac 51s and aero 51s where the imprints were quite worn, and it was hard to read the entire imprint. Usually, though, I was able to find traces of an imprint if the barrel had one.

"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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