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You've Got Your First Found In The Wild Parker 51 In Your Hand, Now What?


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Hahahahahaha! Good one.

I'm just sayin'... if you want to be historically accurate, I can help :)

Just give me the Parker 51s and nobody needs to get hurt.

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I did my first P51 disassembly and cleaning today. Taking the hood off was impossible so I soaked the hood part in a glass of boiling water. The hot water cleaned the collector/feed/nib and at the same time loosened the hood enough to unscrew. Once that was done the cleaning bit was quite easy. A few questions I have folowing this:

 

1. When putting the pen back together how do you know how deep to push the feed into the collector?

2. Is there something that indicates the position that the nib should be placed in in order to be straight (without having to go through the trial and error of continuously screwing and unscrewing the hood)?

3. When putting the pen together should I shellac the hood on?

4. Where can I find some shellac?

5. Is there a marking on the nib to indicate what size it is?

6. What can I use in order to polish the micro scratches out of the barrel and hood?

7. What can I use to polish the rolled gold cap?

 

Sorry for all the questions and hope you can help please.

 

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I've restored several Esterbrook, but for me the 51's require more know how and tools that I want to consider. I sent my unrepaired 51 here. Repairs (parker51.com)

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On 1/21/2021 at 5:47 AM, PandP said:

I did my first P51 disassembly and cleaning today. Taking the hood off was impossible so I soaked the hood part in a glass of boiling water. The hot water cleaned the collector/feed/nib and at the same time loosened the hood enough to unscrew. Once that was done the cleaning bit was quite easy. A few questions I have folowing this:

 

1. When putting the pen back together how do you know how deep to push the feed into the collector?

2. Is there something that indicates the position that the nib should be placed in in order to be straight (without having to go through the trial and error of continuously screwing and unscrewing the hood)?

3. When putting the pen together should I shellac the hood on?

4. Where can I find some shellac?

5. Is there a marking on the nib to indicate what size it is?

6. What can I use in order to polish the micro scratches out of the barrel and hood?

7. What can I use to polish the rolled gold cap?

 

Sorry for all the questions and hope you can help please.

 

1) Push the feed into the collector until it stops. 

2) Before you put on the collector+nib and feed assembly into the connector, screw back the hood onto the connector and make a mark where it stops. Now unscrew the hood and put the collector +nib and feed assembly in such a way that the nib is aligned to that mark.

3) Yes, shellacing is advisable especially on P51s with no O rings. 

4) Well, I make my own shellac. But you can Google for shellac suppliers in your area. 

5) No, there are no marking on the nib for tip sizes. 

6) Micro - mesh / Sanding paper of appropriate grades. 

7) Jeweller' cloth. 

Khan M. Ilyas

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@mitto thank you very much for a very helpful reply. Very much appreciated. Thankfully all my P51s have the O-rings, nevertheless I will source some shellac and apply it as precaution. I'll get a jeweller's cloth too.

 

The micro mesh bit makes me a bit nervous. Is there any decent videos that show what grade and how to use?

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On 1/23/2021 at 7:23 AM, PandP said:

@mitto thank you very much for a very helpful reply. Very much appreciated. Thankfully all my P51s have the O-rings, nevertheless I will source some shellac and apply it as precaution. I'll get a jeweller's cloth too.

 

The micro mesh bit makes me a bit nervous. Is there any decent videos that show what grade and how to use?

 

Khan M. Ilyas

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My first Parker 51 disassembled, cleaned and reassembled sucessfully.

 

The rest of my 51s look ok so I decided to use the Herbin pen cleaner with the 36 hour soaking method and it yielded good results. I have used a small amount to clean 5 Parker 51s. I believe that the Herbin pen cleaner is multiuse? How does one know when it has been used enough and needs to be thrown away?

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Hi Pen Friends,

This is my first post. I have been reading this thread because my husband brought me a Parker 51 vac that looks like it did some hard living. I will include some photos. He also gave me an Esterbrook SJ which I know I can get working, it needs a new sack. The sac was rock hard with ink. 

 

Right now I have been soaking the 51 up to the clutch ring in warm water. A lot of ink seems to be spilling out. It has only been a day. The piston or knobby thing seems to spring back with no problems but there are no air bubbles when I do this. 

What could be wrong? My first thought is that there is some hard ink in there like with the Esterbrook or something else is broken inside. Or both.

 

The hood looks like it has some gouges. I also wonder how old it is. 

 

Thanks for any information!

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It could be that you will have to have the diaphragm replaced (you'll need a pro doing the work, most likely -- that's the downside over the 51 Vacs over the Aerometrics).  But it could also just be just that it was really clogged up (Vacumatics and 51 Vacs are a PITA to flush, even when the diaphragm is still good).

As for how old the pen is, there should be a date code somewhere on the Parker imprint on the barrel.  There's a good article on Parker date codes on www.parkercollector.com.  The pen should have a code such as "46", possibly with dots on either side (or both) and possibly also one below it (the dots denote the quarter in which it was produced, and the method is to block off the dots for each successive quarter on the plate). If there's a "T" before the number, it means it was made in the plant that Parker bought from Townsend and originally used to manufacture ink in (I have a couple of 51 Vacs with the T code; I got that information from David Nishamura's website).

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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Thank you Ruth!

Later yesterday we saw bubbles! It is still soaking.

My husband found the code "Parker 51" MADE IN THE USA 8

This is like a detective story.

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6 hours ago, Catpaws said:

Thank you Ruth!

Later yesterday we saw bubbles! It is still soaking.

My husband found the code "Parker 51" MADE IN THE USA 8

This is like a detective story.

Okay, 8 without any dots sounds like 4th quarter 1948.

Sadly, they discontinued the date codes in the mid 1950s, then resurrected a different type of coding (just using letters) more recently.  

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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On 6/9/2020 at 3:06 PM, IThinkIHaveAProblem said:
On 6/9/2020 at 7:48 AM, jcrowemag said:

I guess I should clarify as well.....obviously I understand that the shellac secures the hood to the body. My primary question was that if the hood and body are NOT shellaced together would that mean ink would certainly leak at the clutch ring?

 

In my experience (about a dozen 51s, most with no o-ring) none have leaked. I dont use shellac. If i were selling a pen or repairing for someone else i would use rosin. As it is i use nothing (since they are my pens and i know what to expect) and none have leaked.

I dissembled my P51 that I got on eBay and sealed the hood with shellac. I didn't put enough on because it started leaking after a few months. I took it apart again and applied more, making sure it got all the way around. It hasn't leaked since and is my favorite pen. (I use Anderson Pens shellac.)

Richard Binder has great pages on fixing a 51 (http://www.richardspens.com/ref/00_refp.htm)

 

JParker51

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5 hours ago, JParker51 said:

I dissembled my P51 that I got on eBay and sealed the hood with shellac. I didn't put enough on because it started leaking after a few months. I took it apart again and applied more, making sure it got all the way around. It hasn't leaked since and is my favorite pen. (I use Anderson Pens shellac.)

Richard Binder has great pages on fixing a 51 (http://www.richardspens.com/ref/00_refp.htm)

 

JParker51

 

Why the disassembly?  What was wrong with it?  

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The sac had what I thought was a hole in it (I could hear the hiss when I squeezed the sac) When I took it apart, I found the nipple had seperated from the rest of the section. (It was soft and pliable) I found a broken donor P51 on ebay (for a song) and used its section. Now I have extra P51 parts for my next one!

 

JParker51

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