Diamine Cmyk Inks

[malpei]

Hi!

 

I'm planning to start a colour chart based on CMYK mixing, and I think the diamine inks are the cheapest option in my country, so...

 

What do you think are the most exact inks in the diamine range? I have choosen these, but i'm not pretty shure:

 

Magenta: Diamine Cerise (Maybe too pink?)

Cyan: Diamine Mediterranean Blue (Maybe too dark?)

Yellow: Ok, Diamine Yellow is perfect yellow )

Black: Onyx or Quartz? Which one is the most saturated?

 

 

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Thanks brian for the awesome swabs!

[Sandy1]

Hi,

 

I suggest their Deep Magenta.

 

The Yellow is problematic: the majority of the 'normal' Yellow inks are rather dark and have a Brown/Amber tint. Both of those characteristics seem to support using the ink on its own: increasing legibility. I have found more success using the Noodler's hi-lite ink, Firefly.

 

Cyan is very tricky: many of the Blue inks are far too Blue too be used as a Cyan, so I suggest looking at the Turquoise inks.

 

With Diamine, a gap between the name and the colour is not uncommon, so let your eye do its thing.

 

I do not use Black FP ink, but be aware that many Black inks are not neutral Black. I believe that one would need to go to a carbon particle ink to get a neutral Black. I await the sage opinion of the Black ink aficionadi to chime-in.

 

Also, if you are not totally committed to using Diamine, I believe that Noodler's had some inks picked that comprised a CMYK approach. IIRC, that also included the Whiteness of the Whale (Pequod) for tone tuning.

 

For reference, I have included a Grey Scale LINK which shows CMYK swatches. I suggest matching your inks to those swatches.

Bye,

S1

[jgrasty]

I can't help on the Diamine choices, but here's the previously mentioned thread on Noodler's CMYK.

[Sandy1]

I can't help on the Diamine choices, but here's the previously mentioned thread on Noodler's CMYK.

[malpei]

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:roflmho: :roflmho: :roflmho:

 

Awesome

 

In my screen they are exactly the same colour

Edited May 3, 2011 by malpei

[Alohamora]

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:roflmho: :roflmho: :roflmho:

 

Awesome

 

In my screen they are exactly the same colour

 

I see small differences in the scan, not very much.

 

I have Diamine Havasue, Mediterranean and Yellow myself. Their yellow is a nice bright clear yellow, I'm no expert at mixing, but it looks perfect to me. Havasue Turquoise is greener than Mediterranean blue. Mediterranean looks close to the cyan in the color bar Sandy1 posted.

 

 

Just going by the online swabs, what about Diamine Scarlet for Magenta?

[jgrasty]

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:roflmho: :roflmho: :roflmho:

 

Awesome

 

In my screen they are exactly the same colour

 

I see small differences in the scan, not very much.

 

I have Diamine Havasue, Mediterranean and Yellow myself. Their yellow is a nice bright clear yellow, I'm no expert at mixing, but it looks perfect to me. Havasue Turquoise is greener than Mediterranean blue. Mediterranean looks close to the cyan in the color bar Sandy1 posted.

 

 

Just going by the online swabs, what about Diamine Scarlet for Magenta?

 

I, too, see a difference, but it is very minor.

[malpei]

Just going by the online swabs, what about Diamine Scarlet for Magenta?

 

In the diamine web page, the swab for the scarlet is clearly too pink.

 

But the deep magenta is a little dark...

 

http://www.diamineinks.co.uk/images/items/0026.gif Scarlet

http://www.diamineinks.co.uk/images/items/0045.gif Deep Magenta

[Sandy1]

In the diamine web page, the swab for the scarlet is clearly too pink.

 

But the deep magenta is a little dark...

Hi,

 

If your colours are incorrect, all is for naught. i.e. If one starts in a bad place, then its hard to get to a good place. But you'll still get some nice mixes - just not CMYK 'system' mixes.

 

Kindly consider diluting the Deep Magenta to get the right density.

 

Bye,

Goldilocks

Edited May 4, 2011 by Sandy1

[notgiven]

Exact match is not necessary. As Sandy mentioned, they will still give you a nice mixes. I would start with bright, BRIGHT, ink initially, because the more you mix, the muddier it gets. If you get a cyan that is not green enough, than your magenta could be more pink/red than purple.

 

Also, when people think about magenta, the colors they imagine are probably different.

http://www.rna.ca/photography/artist_group_event-11/magenta_northern_lights_b.jpg

[chrisoslo]

If I ever finish my review in Scandinavian of Diamine, one of my main recommendations will be precisely this - to use them for mixing.

 

Unless I have a mislabeled batch, Scarlet is definitely wrong.

The choices are Yellow, Dark Magenta or Crimson, Aqua or Turquoise. All of these will work.

 

The amount of ink used will affect the results, but to my eye Dark Magenta gives a better red than Crimson when mixed with Yellow. It also gives a less purple blue when mixed with Aqua/Turquoise.

 

Aqua and Turquoise seem very similar. I think Aqua gives a slightly greener green when mixed with Yellow.

 

Jet Black is much blacker than the grey Quartz. For mixing perhaps it is better to use the lighter Quartz, but this I have not tried (yet).

[notgiven]

You may also want to look at swatches at biffy beans' blog. She swatches most, if not all, of the Diamine inks.

 

This magenta comparison is from her blog.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/biffybeans/4211207463/

[malpei]

If I ever finish my review in Scandinavian of Diamine, one of my main recommendations will be precisely this - to use them for mixing.

 

Unless I have a mislabeled batch, Scarlet is definitely wrong.

The choices are Yellow, Dark Magenta or Crimson, Aqua or Turquoise. All of these will work.

 

The amount of ink used will affect the results, but to my eye Dark Magenta gives a better red than Crimson when mixed with Yellow. It also gives a less purple blue when mixed with Aqua/Turquoise.

 

Aqua and Turquoise seem very similar. I think Aqua gives a slightly greener green when mixed with Yellow.

 

Jet Black is much blacker than the grey Quartz. For mixing perhaps it is better to use the lighter Quartz, but this I have not tried (yet).

 

Many many thanks! Very useful

[witkacy26]

What about buying set of CMYK inks for an ink printer?

Type 'ink hp bottle' in ebay (http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=hp+ink+bottle) and you will find what you need.

HP, Lexmark uses water soluble inks, few others too, but not all.

 

 

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Hi all by the way, it's my first post here

Edited June 17, 2011 by witkacy26