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 On 2/19/2021 at 12:18 PM, Barry Gabay said:

Split ebonite feed for 149 appeared in 1981 in Europe and North America.

How can one be so sure?

If so, how come that I got a pen with this feed seven years before it “apeared”? It was purchased in Vienna.

 

Hello stoen,
If you are the original owner of this fountain pen and purchased it new, I can not explain its having components from very different generations. Many of us have purchased used fountain pens with replacement parts from different eras.There are also transitional 149s from several eras. I am familiar with those from 1983-84 and 1990-91 possessing components from the end of one era and the beginning of the next.  If you purchased this pen new in Vienna "seven years" prior to the introduction of the split-ebonite feed ca. 1981, it is certainly an anomaly. Furthermore, the presence of a split-ebonite feed "seven years before" 1981 is contrary to the Montblanc advertising, internal documents, and retailers documents I have seen over the years, including documents sent to me from Montblanc HQ in Hamburg.  With all due respect for you and your beautiful 149, I stand behind my assertion of 1981 for the split-ebonite feed's appearance on the 149.  
Please send me a private message or email. I am genuinely interested in the complete background you can share about your 149. 
Best wishes, Barry
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Barry Gabay

Dear stoen,   

Having re-read all of your posts, I believe your 149 truly is an anomaly. Purchased in 1974, it simply should not have had the split-ebonite feed. However, you bought it new, and that is the feed which was on it.

I sincerely beg your pardon and apologize for my excessive confidence in dating the split-ebonite feed.  Yours is the first I have ever heard of from such an early date. 

Please forgive me if my above post was offensive to you or anyone else reading it.

Best wishes,

Barry

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2 hours ago, Barry Gabay said:

Dear stoen,   

Having re-read all of your posts, I believe your 149 truly is an anomaly. Purchased in 1974, it simply should not have had the split-ebonite feed. However, you bought it new, and that is the feed which was on it.

I sincerely beg your pardon and apologize for my excessive confidence in dating the split-ebonite feed.  Yours is the first I have ever heard of from such an early date. 

Please forgive me if my above post was offensive to you or anyone else reading it.

Best wishes,

Barry

I think this is an unnecessary apology Mr Gabay, particularly if this pen is in fact an anomaly as you state.  You responded based upon years of study and knowledge.  I find nothing in your response to be offensive.  You must have had some back channel communication with this poster.    

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Thank a Veteran.

 

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4 hours ago, niksch said:

I think this is an unnecessary apology Mr Gabay, particularly if this pen is in fact an anomaly as you state.  You responded based upon years of study and knowledge.  I find nothing in your response to be offensive.  You must have had some back channel communication with this poster. 

I also think this is an unnecessary apology Mr Gabay, but thank you, nevertheless. I am “this poster” and I have had no back channel communication. Was there a reason for having had one?

 

Nobody’s message here is offensive to me. Thanks very much for your concern. I also truly hope my messages are not offensive to anybody.

 

 I wish my pen could fit the existing timeline theory, but it is puzzling to me why it doesn’t as much as to anybody here. All the intention behind any of my posts is in humbly trying to contribute in making your knowledge base more complete and helpful. Privately, I can live fine with such an intriguing “anomaly”.

 

Unfortunately, I don’t have the original receipt. 46 years ago, I was just a high school kid who earned some money and have never thought this pen’s receipt might have proven useful in making a research case study decades later.

 

Thanks, and all the best!🙂

 

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Barry Gabay

Thank you,  stoen.  You are a gentleman.  I appreciate your reply.  All of us try to contribute to an understanding this great model 149. Your pen and its date of purchase provide valuable information in dating certain components of the model. I appreciate your knowledge and details about your fountain pen.

All the best,

Barry

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Bo Bo Olson

18C nib....pens sold in France or Switzerland had to be 750/18C/K to be called gold.

 

In at my auction house, a two lots of pens came up, including W.Germany Pelikans. 3W. Germany  800's, two in the the other lot.

This lot I won.

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And a '93 Hunter Toledo, I have to guess in that all 7 pens had 18 C/K nibs, one could order a 18C/K nib including a 3rd generation Noblises.

 

The wood colored one is a Diplomat, the two smaller black ones are a W.Germany 800 and a Waterman, Mann200.

So I guess the original owner died in @94. In there were no more dateable Pelikans. He had 3 separate black and gold W.Germany 800's OF, OM and OB. I ended up with the OM.

So would think the 149's 18 C nib came from @'88-93

 

 I had to burnish the 149 nib tip with the dull end of a drill bit (having no fountain pen nib burnishing tools) , the nib, had fallen before I got it, with a slight wave at the tip of one tine, that refused normal alignment. (Ages ago I burnished a 90 degree bend in a Parker Vac factory stub BB, with a drill bit. Worked in both cases. Placed the nib on part of a paper notebook, so the paper supported the tines and the desk the feed.)

 

Luckily I had practice with a 1005 and a 800, so the 149 is not quite Honking Huge as when I tried one a decade ago with out experience with Large pens.

This is the first day, and the jury is still out. Not as awkward as expected.

Looks to be a F...Herbin Lie de Thee shades on good paper with it.

German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany & https://www.peter-bo...cts/nib-systems,

 

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

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On 2/20/2021 at 2:30 PM, stoen said:

How can one be so sure?

If so, how come that I got a pen with this feed seven years before it “apeared”? It was purchased in Vienna.

🙂

Time-warp machines and wormholes are cool, but I don’t remember having seen any of them close to my pen.

🙂

All the best!

 

I know I'm late on this, but did you possibly have your pen serviced along the way?


At least now, I'm under the impression that virtually every pen sent for service leaves with a plastic feed fitted/set to the original nib(assuming it's salvageable) regardless of what type it comes in with.

 

Could a service trip in the 1980s have resulted in it being swapped for the then current split ebonite?

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Hi,

 

I thought I'd add my 149 to the thread:

14C two tone nib

Split ebonite feed

Clip ring says only "Germany"

Cap ring has "Montblanc - Meisterstuck No 149 -" with the umlaut dots within the U and the "o" in No is superscript with a line under it

One piece barrel (please could someone confirm?)

Plastic threads on piston

Using the chart, this leads me to 1975-1985, or 1984-1985 if I'm wrong about the single piece barrel.

 

Can anyone confirm my conclusions?

Also, does the feed look like it needs pushing a little further into the section?

 

Regards

Pl.

 

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