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Kindly adjust the brightness & contrast of your monitor to accurately depict this Gray Scale.

As the patches are neutral gray, the colour on your monitor should also be neutral.

 

Figure 1.

Grey Scale.

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Figure 2.

Paper: HP1124 24 lb. Laser Copy.

Swabs: Waterman Florida Blue. R&KBp

Swatch: Drawn with Sonnett CI B.

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WRITTEN SAMPLES: Moby Dick

 

Narrow Nibs:

To more accurately depict how narrow nibs are used, a 4mm row height is used for 2 rows: one written in mixed case, and the other printed in upper case. The third row is the normal 8mm height used for wider nibs. It does look dreadful, but I hope it is useful.

 

Figure 3.

Paper: HP1124 24 lb. Laser Copy.

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Figure 4.

Paper: Rhodia

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Figure 5.

Paper: Clairefontaine 'Triomphe'.

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Figure 6.

Paper: G. Lalo 'Verge de France', White.

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Figure 7.

Grocery List

Paper: Pulp - from a one-a-day cartoon calendar.

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HI-RES SCANS:

 

Figure 8.

Boxed text from Figure 3.

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Figure 9.

Boxed text from Figure 4.

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Figure 10.

Boxed text from Figure 5.

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Figure 11.

Boxed text from Figure 6.

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Figure 12.

Boxed text from Figure 7.

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OTHER SAMPLES:

 

Figure 13.

Wet samples, Smear / Dry Time.

Swirlies. Shows potential density range.

Paper: HP1124 24 lb. Laser Copy.

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Figure 14.

Down strikes from the seven pen+nib combos on five papers.

Note: This replaces previously used 'Shingle Samples'

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Figure 15.

HiRes Scan - Bracketed lines: Clairefontaine, from Figure 14. Shows nib widths.

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GENERAL DESCRIPTION:

 

Blue.

Calm.

Friendly.

Quiet.

Not flashy.

Not splashy.

Not trashy.

 

Daily writer? Quite possible.

Type? Dye-based fountain pen ink.

 

USES:

 

Business:

  • All purpose.
  • Shows 'competence' more than 'action' or 'gravitas'.
  • May not have quite enough 'sizzle' for mark-up/correction.

Illustrations / Graphics:

  • Not quite - it lacks the ability to 'claim territory' on charts, graphs, etc.
  • It is very susceptible to variations in nib+feed, and paper.
  • Not a great idea: it'll work, but won't excel.

Personal:

  • A quiet but bright-eyed ink.
  • It does not draw attention or distract the reader.
  • I use it for writing people who may become friends, and cousins.

Billet Doux:

  • Hmm. Not quite.
  • This ink would be great for inviting one for a night at the flicks. But it would be Dutch Treat: you get the tix; I'll get the treats.

Alt Use:

  • Thank-you notes to those who continuously gift me with scarves.

PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE & CHARACTERISTICS:

 

Flow Rate:

  • Tends to be just normal.
  • Good manners.
  • As expected the driest pen (Pilot 78G + F) was less than useful on the hardest paper, the G Lalo, Verge de France.

Nib Dry-out:

  • Ten minutes uncapped: Prompt start-up on all pens.

Start-up:

  • Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Lubrication:

  • Nice, but not exceptional.

Nib Creepers:

  • Absent.

Staining/Stigmata:

  • None noticed during a few days.

Clogging:

  • Very unlikely.

Bleed Through:

  • Not on any of the papers.

Smell:

  • Very faint smell of ink. Unscented.

Hand oil sensitivity:

  • None noticed.

Archival:

  • Likely no more or less than any dye-based FP ink.

Water Resistance:

  • Not bad. Not great. So let's call it 'Better than expected'.

Smear Results:

  • Rather OK. HP1124: Less than 2 seconds.

Bulletproof:

  • Makes no such claim.
  • Could likely be eradicated with little more than a soapy soak.

Clean Up:

  • Quick & thorough with plain water. :-)

Mixing:

  • No stated prohibitions / limitation.
  • Easily mix-able, but not sure if I'd add anything to it; rather more likely to add it to another ink to anchor the mix.

THE LOOK:

 

Saturation:

  • Moderate.

Shading:

  • Very little. But, take a look at Figure 12 - 78G on Pulp Paper - great shading!

Feathering:

  • Not that anyone would notice.

Variance depending on pen+nib combos used:

  • Exposes any quirks of the writing implement. e.g. The 78G is dry, and it shows; as does the wetness of the Sonnett; and the Preppy is marginal at best.

FIDELITY:

 

Is colour name appropriate / accurate?

  • Careful here. I was told that in Europe, the term 'permanent' is used to indicate that it cannot be erased/removed with an ink eraser or eradicating fluid. I await correction/clarification from those more knowledgeable.

  • The litho-ed label on the bottle bears a tiny swatch whose usefulness is wishful thinking. That said, the colour is sort of close, but much much darker than the ink.

Figure 16.

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Trivia: The person depicted on the label is using a roller to apply pigment-based ink to a stone tablet used for lithographic printing. This indicates the graphic arts aspect of Rohrer & Klingner.

 

SIMILAR COLOURS:

  • Hmm. I don't have any.
  • Dear readers, please chime-in.

Figure 17.

Other Blues.

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PAPERS:

 

Lovely papers:

  • Crisp whites.

Trip-wire papers:

  • Dull / dirty whites.

Tinted Papers:

  • Can't really see it. Not much more than the warmth of the G Lalo white.

Is high-end paper 'worth it'?

  • Not necessarily, but the ink's good manners should not be imposed upon.

OTHER THAN INK:

 

Presentation :

  • 50 ml. bottle.

Country of origin:

  • Germany.

Container:

  • A very simple cylindrical brown-tinted glass bottle, 40 mm diameter and 78 mm tall.
  • The centred round opening is an adequate 22 mm.
  • The text on the label is in four European languages.
  • The hard white plastic screw cap has adequate grippy nodes, and is easy to grasp.
  • The cap is not child-proof.
  • The cap seal is 'foam' plastic.
  • Single tank, no filling aids, no sediment collector. Tsk.

Box:

  • Fuggetdabowdit.

Eco-Green:

  • All bits easily recyclable.
  • Bonus points for not using a box.

Availability:

  • Available from several online sources based in UK & North America.
  • No idea about mainland Europe, but assume it to be readily available in fine stationers & pen shops.
  • Ah kushbaby, not for you. So sorry.

ETC.:

 

Majik:

  • Rather unlikely.

Personal Pen & Paper Pick:

  • From what we see in this Review, I'd pick the Waterman Charleston + M on the Rhodia (but I'd use unlined of course).

Yickity Yackity:

  • As I use this ink quite a bit, I thought this would be a simple quick review. Not so much. I am used to seeing this ink from a Pelikan M600 series F nib, a Waterman Carene + M, and a 'no-name' open M nib pen. (From Judd - $12 well spent.) I was surprised that I don't care for the darker look of this ink that came from the Sonnett and the Phileas - I much prefer the look from the Charleston and the Prelude.

=.=.=.=.=.=.=

 

MATERIEL USED:

 

These pen+nib combos:

  • Pilot Human Engineering + XF steel nib - mostly for lines & labels; loaded with Visconti Bordeaux.
  • Pilot 78G + F g-p steel nib.
  • Waterman Phileas + F g-p steel nib.
  • Platinum Preppy + 0.5mm steel nib.
  • Waterman Charleston + M 18K nib.
  • Sheaffer Prelude + custom-ground CI B steel nib. *Dealer's Choice*
  • Parker Sonnet + stock [cursive] Italic B 18K nib.

On these papers:

  • HP 1124 24 lb. Laser Copy.
  • Clairefontaine 'Triomphe'.
  • Rhodia.
  • G Lalo 'Verge de France' white.
  • Pulp: one-a-day cartoon calendar page.

=.=.=.=.=.=.=

 

NOTES:

 

  1. I use only papers, pens & nibs that are readily available, fairly inexpensive and 'stock' - not customised. If some pens/nibs are not currently produced, I'll use them if there are NOS or restored pieces readily available at OK prices. As appropriate, I'll include an implement outside of those guidelines, which will be ID-ed as a *Dealer's Choice*.
  2. I do apologise for using the Preppy. I can't promise it won't happen again, but I will try to avoid using that in future reviews.
  3. The 'Shingle Samples' were replaced by plain down strokes. As the SSs were generated by one continuous stroke that encompassed several papers, each paper (except for the initial paper - the HP1124) was affected by the previous paper, so perhaps the nib+feed could not adjust so quickly. (?) I hope these are more 'objective'.
  4. Figures were produced on an Epson V600 scanner; factory defaults were accepted. Originals scanned at 300 dpi & 24 bit colour to produce .jpg files.The image was not adjusted other than cropping and straightening using iPhoto on a MacBook.
  5. Scanner Densitometer Readings: (Generated from the Drawn Swatch on Figure 2.) Red 87; Green 157; Blue 220; Luminosity 160.

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Crass! Never seen such a thorough review. Or one as nice and scientific.

Thanks,

 

Mike :)

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Another thorough review, many thanks and a very nise looking ink.

And how can this be, because he is the Kwisatz Haderach.

 

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Thanks for doing this review, Sandy1. I recently got a bottle of this ink and have thought about reviewing it. No need for that now. Your scans perfectly capture this ink -- to me, it is a cheerful ink, reminds me of a sunny day.

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Another thorough review, many thanks and a very nise looking ink.

Hi,

I'm glad you appreciate the review & the ink.

I consider this ink to be an 'all purpose' Blue. I like it because it's friendly, and it isn't a 'strictly business' Blue - for me, I still use BlBk at the office, so this light a Blue does seem not quite so business-like. But, if I were to receive a business note in this colour, I would certainly pay attention.

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S1

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Crass! Never seen such a thorough review. Or one as nice and scientific.

Thanks,

 

Mike :)

Hi Mike,

Good thing you haven't seen the IR I did for Parker Quink Red. :-)

Bye,

S1

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Thanks for doing this review, Sandy1. I recently got a bottle of this ink and have thought about reviewing it. No need for that now. Your scans perfectly capture this ink -- to me, it is a cheerful ink, reminds me of a sunny day.

Hi,

You're welcome.

I am glad the scans come across on the monitor's of other people. I really do find it frustrating when the scans get in the way - then to me they are the 'guts' of the Review.

BUT, why not do an IR of this, and convey your own views: I never would have described it as a 'cheerful ink', even though I do think it is. Ah, 'bright-eyed' was as close as I could come.

Bye,

S1

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I should gift you a scarf.

Aaack! Not another one!!! Yikers!!!!

The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

 

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Great review. I just ordered a sample of a different color of Rohrer and Klinger. Will let you know how it works.

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Great review. I just ordered a sample of a different color of Rohrer and Klinger. Will let you know how it works.

Hi -- I am very much looking forward to your review of the R&K ink you have on order. -- Bye, S1

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Thanks for the review, Sandy.

You are most welcome.

S1

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Great review. This is my everyday work ink. I work for an engineering firm doing building inspections and have to write lots of reports. I also use other colors on occasion.

 

R&K and Diamine are my go to inks.

Dwight

 

 

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try not to act surprised.

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Great review. This is my everyday work ink. I work for an engineering firm doing building inspections and have to write lots of reports. I also use other colors on occasion.

 

R&K and Diamine are my go to inks.

Hi,

Thanks for your compliment. How do you find the ink? As I mentioned, I think it has 'good manners', and described the colour, when used in a business context, as conveying 'competence'? For non-work business matters, this is the 'friendliest' blue that I have. Mid is Herbin 'Eclat de Saphire'. Uber-Blau is the starched-shirt & tie of the Visconti Blue - a colour that never dresses-down for 'Casual Fridays'.

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Hello all,

 

Ann is concerned about the bandwidth that my reviews require.

As a result, I have chosen to delete all 'in depth / in detail' images.

 

If you think I have deleted essential images, please send me a PM. I will try to find a way to do something.

 

As 4 images is the new maximum, any future Reviews will also be considerably less informative.

 

ByeBye

S1

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Hi,

 

To support ad hoc comparison of inks of similar colour, I have revisited Blau permanent to add more samples. These samples use much the same layout, papers, pens and imaging method as my current reviews of Blue inks.

 

As always, should one feel that a separate Post or Topic is required to depict a certain aspect of an ink, your PM will be welcomed. While new scans can be accommodated in due course, creation of more inky scribbles is unlikely.

 

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WRITTEN SAMPLES - Moby Dick

Ruling: 8mm.

 

Paper: HPJ1124.

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Paper: Rhodia.

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Paper: Staples 20lb.

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OTHER STUFF

 

Smear/Dry Times & Wet Tests ☂

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Comments:

  • The Written Sample on Staples 20lb. is new. The 330 showed a bit of bleed- show-through, making two-sided use OK for own use / ephemera; and the much wetter Safari caused bleed-through to the extent that two-sided use would not be acceptable except in a pinch.
  • Other results are consistent with prior samples.

Addenda:

  • Packaging: Current bottle caps are metal.
  • Mixing: R&K indicates that with the exception of R&K Sepia, Blau permanent can be safely mixed with other R&K inks. In the unlikely event of mixing Bp with Sepia, the mixed ink needs to be used immediately; and the pen/s cleansed immediately after use. (No time limit specified, so kindly determine ETA of event horizon in a container other than one's pen.)

= = = =

 

NUTS & BOLTS

 

Pens:

  • Sheaffer 330 + steel M nib.
  • Lamy Safari + goosed steel 1.1 nib.

Paper:

  • HPJ1124 24lb. Laser Copy
  • Rhodia
  • Staples 20lb. multi-use

Imaging:

  • Scans were made on an Epson V600 scanner to produce jpg files using the bundled Epson s/w at factory default settings.
  • Figures shown were scanned at 200 dpi @ 24 bit colour.
  • Scans were not adjusted post-capture, other than dumb-down by Photo Bucket and IP.Board s/w.

Bye,

S1

 

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I never saw this review, but it's awesome as usual. I really like this ink. It behaves beautifully and looks just a little different from most medium blues. It's a little under the radar, I think, so I hope this review brings it some attention.

 

I am getting very nice shading in a wet broad Edison on Clairefontaine and Rhodia paper.

 

When I initially got the ink, I wracked my brain to try to categorize this shade of blue. The best I could do was denim.

 

I like your description:

 

Calm.

Friendly.

Quiet.

Not flashy.

Not splashy.

Not trashy.

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I never saw this review, but it's awesome as usual. I really like this ink. It behaves beautifully and looks just a little different from most medium blues. It's a little under the radar, I think, so I hope this review brings it some attention.

 

I am getting very nice shading in a wet broad Edison on Clairefontaine and Rhodia paper.

 

When I initially got the ink, I wracked my brain to try to categorize this shade of blue. The best I could do was denim.

 

I like your description:

 

Calm.

Friendly.

Quiet.

Not flashy.

Not splashy.

Not trashy.

 

Hi,

 

Thanks for the compliments!

 

I very much agree that Bp is another one of the 'under the radar' Medium Blue inks. It has a somewhat higher than usual Green component, which I find attractive, and it sees use for casual letters to close family & friends. (See also Pelikan Edelstein Topaz LINK)

 

In my hand, Bp isn't a powerhouse of shading, but does have subtle variation of density. I still like this ink at middling density, though at high density, it becomes much more lustrous without having performance issues.

 

Ah, so sorry, but not Denim! Diamine Denim took possession of that one. :rolleyes:

 

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S1

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