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Conventional inks with classic water resistance and classic flow...at a standard Noodler's price, far from $35 a bottle (and calculate on both volume and/or weight cost per oz etc...). You can use the savings to buy a nice crystal ink well with a silver top if the bottle is "too American" for you... :thumbup:

 

Mixing them can replicate the entire range (though GI Green was recently changed to a darker 1938 replica target based on customer feedback).

 

I mention it because of a flow of about two dozen e-mails on this subject and the name constantly being put forth. If anyone can't get the color they want in a mix of the existing v-mail line, send me a note and a possible 10 ml sample of whatever you are looking for - then give me some time and I'll do my best to keep the ink not only better than the sample, but in the standard cost range of the average 3 oz Noodler's (these are conventional inks, mind you...& the markups some people expect are not reasonable from the rational perspective - but I gave up trying to figure that out a long time ago).

 

 

I would love to have something that is close to Edo-murasake. Unfortunately I don't have a sample to send. I tried to order, but was too late. If anyone out there has a sample they'd send so that a similar color could be obtained with Noodlers inks, I'd gladly pay for the sample ... and then buy a bottle of the resulting ink!

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Found another good substitute this week. Rohrer & Klingner Magenta works very well color-wise for yama-budo. In the nib I tested, it shaded quite well so Magenta may appear less saturated than yama-budo. If you like shading as much as I do, Magenta is the more suitable choice.

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As for the hefty Iroshizuku bottles, yes, they are attractive but I don't buy ink for the bottle. After a fill all bottles are returned to the original boxes. Better for the ink and better for my overly crowded desk. What I do appreciate is that there is little likelihood that I will tip over an Iro bottle. That's the plus for me.

 

The base of the Iroshizuku bottle is thick, and it's not that easy to tip over :)

 

In my experience, Yama-budo is just a tad darker than my Diamine claret. I also have Kiri-same, Tsuki-yo and Yu-yake - and while there may be other inks approximating them in color, they might not match flow or behavior. I thought the purchase was worth it! But of course I also enjoy other brands for their own merits.

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Now the JetPens has been forced to join the Pilot US price hike ( :glare: ) I thought it might be useful to bump this topic back to the top.

 

I'll add a few of my own. NB: I'm only saying these inks are similar. They are not exact. If you want the exact color you'll have to buy the Iroshizuku. There are properties of that ink that simply don't exist with any other ink on the market. This particularly applies to their green-blues and blue-greens.

 

If you like x, then you'll probably like y:

 

If Ku-Jaku, then ND turquoise (standard line)

If Yama-Budo, then ND Saguaro Wine or PR Plum

If Yu-Yake, then CdA Saffron

If Fuyu-gaki, then ND Dragon's Napalm or Diamine Coral

If Kon-Peki, then Diamine Kensington Blue (in a wet writer)

If Yama-Guri, then R&K Sepia or CdA Grand Canyon

 

I have also tried Shin-Ryoku, Tsutsuji, and Syo-Ro but I haven't tried any equivalent color to those three.

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For color only...

 

  • For Fuyu-Gaki, Diamine Vermillion works well enough for me.
  • For Yu-Yake, Noodler's Apache Sunset is similar with slightly more red and shading but slower drying time.
  • For Tsuki-Yo, Rohrer & Klingner Verdigris, Diamine Prussian Blue and Private Reserve Ebony Blue are good substitutes.

Edited to add that my bottle of Prussian Blue is several years old and the ink may have darkened over time. This definitely happened to a bottle of Waterman Blue Black stored in the same cabinet. Newer bottles of Prussian Blue may not be as dark as Tsuki-Yo so YMMV.

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How about an equivalent for Ajisai? I have never seen it IRL, but based on pictures I have a fantasy of what it might be... or what I want it to be! :cloud9:

 

I filled most of a cartridge w/ Diamine Sapphire, dropped a couple drops of water & a couple drops of Diamine Lavender in it, & called it Poor Girl's Ajisai, but I would welcome suggestions from anybody who has actually seen what the color looks like!

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How about an equivalent for Ajisai? I have never seen it IRL, but based on pictures I have a fantasy of what it might be... or what I want it to be! :cloud9:

 

I filled most of a cartridge w/ Diamine Sapphire, dropped a couple drops of water & a couple drops of Diamine Lavender in it, & called it Poor Girl's Ajisai, but I would welcome suggestions from anybody who has actually seen what the color looks like!

 

I have the Ajisai but hadn't thought about an equivalent to it. Maybe Diamine's China Blue? The Ajisai has some purple in it, and isn't as light as the box color. I've got a review at the link below with a fairly decent color swatch.

 

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How about an equivalent for Ajisai? I have never seen it IRL, but based on pictures I have a fantasy of what it might be... or what I want it to be! :cloud9:

 

I filled most of a cartridge w/ Diamine Sapphire, dropped a couple drops of water & a couple drops of Diamine Lavender in it, & called it Poor Girl's Ajisai, but I would welcome suggestions from anybody who has actually seen what the color looks like!

 

I have the Ajisai but hadn't thought about an equivalent to it. Maybe Diamine's China Blue? The Ajisai has some purple in it, and isn't as light as the box color. I've got a review at the link below with a fairly decent color swatch.

 

http://bit.ly/c7p0Xi

 

Thank you for the link. On my monitor your sample shows up w/o any purple at all, although other pix I've seen do show the purpleness. I really wonder if this color is what I think it is! :unsure:

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Margana, I really appreciate this thread you started! Makes me feel less out of the Iroshizuku loop. :)

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Margana, I really appreciate this thread you started! Makes me feel less out of the Iroshizuku loop. :)

--Julie

 

Me too... there's probably a lot of us who just can't, or won't, spend that kind of $$$ on ink, & have been watching all the enthusiasm enviously :)

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Hey, I'm just glad some FPNers found this thread helpful. Iroshizuku really is a fine brand of ink but so are many others. Dare I say that most of my favorite inks are made by other companies? In fact only two Iro colors made it to my top twenty group.

 

If Iroshizuku isn't on your list whatever the reason, there are lots of other great inks to keep you smiling each and every time you see that gorgeous line come from your favorite fountain pen. I promise!

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This is a fantastic thread! Thanks Margana. I'm really enjoying Ku-jaku. I see some resemblance to Diamine Steel Blue, but sadly I don't have any of the latter on hand right now to do a real comparison.

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This is a fantastic thread! Thanks Margana. I'm really enjoying Ku-jaku. I see some resemblance to Diamine Steel Blue, but sadly I don't have any of the latter on hand right now to do a real comparison.

 

Welcome. :)

 

Good eye! A quick glance at small writing samples of both inks in natural lighting shows Diamine Steel Blue to be slightly more green than Ku-Jaku. Steel Blue looks a bit more saturated and thus more brilliant even with an extra fine nib. Both have good flow, coverage, and are equally well-behaved. Both colors fit the dark turquoise range nicely.

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This is a fantastic thread! Thanks Margana. I'm really enjoying Ku-jaku. I see some resemblance to Diamine Steel Blue, but sadly I don't have any of the latter on hand right now to do a real comparison.

 

Iroshizuku ku-jaku is also very similar to Noodler's Coral Sea. I saw a customer testing a pen next to me and was amazed at how similar the two looked. Not exact, but fairly close.

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