Self Filling ?

[MidnightBlue]

I don't get this idea. I'm sure it's been dealt with before, but can someone define the terms by which companies came up with this notion.

Thanks

[lovemy51]

i'm sure its not what you are talking about... but to me the capillary filling system it's self filling!!!

 

BTW, this thread might get bumped to another forum (writing instruments, maybe). this is the review forum.

 

edited to add emoticon!!

Edited June 29, 2009 by lovemy51

[lovemy51]

here, i got this from richard binders site:

self filler: Any pen that fills by means of a built-in (i.e., non-removable) filling system. The term appeared with the advent of such pens at the end of the 19th century, as a means to distinguish them from “regular” pens (eyedropper fillers). See also cartridge/converter, filler.

 

http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/glossary/S.htm just scroll down to "self filler".

 

 

 

edited: ok, somehow i'm not bookmarking the page right (could be cos' they are out right now and their site won't allow me to bookmark), but go to "reference pages" at the list on the left column, than click on the Glossary of Pen Terms, pick letter "s" and scroll down to "sel filler"

Edited June 28, 2009 by lovemy51

[jar]

I don't get this idea. I'm sure it's been dealt with before, but can someone define the terms by which companies came up with this notion.

Thanks

 

Sure. The early fountain pens were eyedropper fill. Next came those that had a sac of some sort but you needed some external tool like a coin to depress it during filling. Finally the lever was born and all the parts needed to fill a pen were included in the product. Self-fillers.

 

They were revolutionary.

[FrankB]

Remember that the concept of "pen" has changed over time. What we call the "nib" was previously known as the "pen," and the shaft that held the pen was appropriately called the "pen holder." For centuries, a pen had to be dipped into ink every few seconds to fill the writing point with ink. A "self filling" pen (remember - the nib) had some internal ink supply that allowed the nib/feed to have a constant source of ink. Thus, the pen (nib) filled itself. How the ink supply got into the pen (or pen holder) could vary, and did. - I learned to use a dip pen in the fourth grade, and I had this concept of "pen" and "pen holder" very clearly "explained" to me. (Iffn ya know what I mean )

[MidnightBlue]

Thank you all. Now I get it. It's kind of a play on words for gravity filled.

Thanks

[Possum Hill]

Thank you all. Now I get it. It's kind of a play on words for gravity filled.

Thanks

I think you'll find that the definition on Richard Binder's site is correct and others are incorrect to the extent that they differ.

[Richard]

edited: ok, somehow i'm not bookmarking the page right...

Actually, you can link directly to a glossary entry. First, position your mouse over the term and wait until a "tool tip" pops up to give you the name to link to (in this case, self_filler). Then set up the link like this:

 

http://www.richardspens.com/?gloss=self_filler

 

There are other things you can link to, as well. Someday, I'll probably write up a guidebook.

[lovemy51]

edited: ok, somehow i'm not bookmarking the page right...

Actually, you can link directly to a glossary entry. First, position your mouse over the term and wait until a "tool tip" pops up to give you the name to link to (in this case, self_filler). Then set up the link like this:

 

http://www.richardspens.com/?gloss=self_filler

 

There are other things you can link to, as well. Someday, I'll probably write up a guidebook.

 

thanx richard. hope you are doing well.

regards,

 

edited to include: actually, richard, your link doesn't take me to the glossary either (!!??)hmmmmmm! could it be my computer/system?... i don't know!!

Edited June 29, 2009 by lovemy51

[Richard]

edited to include: actually, richard, your link doesn't take me to the glossary either (!!??)hmmmmmm! could it be my computer/system?... i don't know!!

"Houston, we have a problem here."

 

(I tested the link before entering my post to be sure it worked.)

[Johnny Appleseed]

Remember that the concept of "pen" has changed over time. What we call the "nib" was previously known as the "pen," and the shaft that held the pen was appropriately called the "pen holder." For centuries, a pen had to be dipped into ink every few seconds to fill the writing point with ink. A "self filling" pen (remember - the nib) had some internal ink supply that allowed the nib/feed to have a constant source of ink. Thus, the pen (nib) filled itself. How the ink supply got into the pen (or pen holder) could vary, and did.

 

While the changing definition of a "pen" and "pen holder" is correct, you are confusing "self-filling" with the definition of a fountain pen itself. A fountain pen has an internal ink reservoir that feeds ink to the "pen" or "nib". A "self-filling" fountain pen has some sort of internal system to draw ink into the internal reservior without the assistance of an eyedropper or other device. You stick the nib and feed in ink, activate the self-filler (be that a lever, button, twist-nob, hump, bump, crescent, whatever) and it fills.

 

 

Thank you all. Now I get it. It's kind of a play on words for gravity filled.

Thanks

 

No - not historically. "Self-filling" is used for any pen with any means to fill itself - whether that is a side-lever, an end-button, a twist-knob, a piston, a plunger, a hump or bump or whatever.

 

The Pelikan Level V pen does have a gravity feed, and it may use the term "Self-Filler" for that, but historically a self-filler is any pen where you don't have to pour ink in by hand.

 

John

 

[lovemy51]

edited to include: actually, richard, your link doesn't take me to the glossary either (!!??)hmmmmmm! could it be my computer/system?... i don't know!!

"Houston, we have a problem here."

 

(I tested the link before entering my post to be sure it worked.)

 

it's working now. thanx!!

[MYU]

This thread is not a review... belongs in the Writing Instruments section--moved accordingly.

[ZeissIkon]

edited to include: actually, richard, your link doesn't take me to the glossary either (!!??)hmmmmmm! could it be my computer/system?... i don't know!!

"Houston, we have a problem here."

 

(I tested the link before entering my post to be sure it worked.)

 

Works for me -- SeaMonkey (essentially Firefox with integrated mail, a Netscape work-alike with modern Firefox features and security) version 1.1.16.

[publius]

The Pelikan Level V pen does have a gravity feed, and it may use the term "Self-Filler" for that, but historically a self-filler is any pen where you don't have to pour ink in by hand.

 

John

I shouldn't call the Level pens self-fillers at all, since you must have an external appliance to get ink into them.