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  1. I have been collecting writing instruments for a few decades and currently have about 300 of them in my collection. They are mostly vintage, and a few new ones. I try to follow technical evolution as themes of my collection such as filling mechanisms, nib characteristics, materials, etc. I recently became interested in pocket fountain pens and I really don`t have much knowledge about them, so I propose to start with what I know and perhaps members of the community can contribute. There are examples of writing instruments of the Victorian Era, that were meant to carry in pockets or pouches, such as telescopic mechanical pencils, dip pens or combination instruments. At the turn of the Century Safety fountain pens came about, in an attempt to prevent ink spillage when carried in a pocket or pouch. For the most part, these pens were of large size for a pocket. For the purpose of this discussion, I would like to propose the following definition. A pocket fountain pen is one that is short enough to fit in a pocket comfortably and by some means it is enlarged to become comfortable for writing. To my knowledge, there are to methods to achieve this purpose. 1 - Pens with a short barrel and long cap and long section. The threads of clutch ring where the cap engages with the barrel is at the end of the long section, so when capped they are short enough to pocket and when posted they become long enough to fit in the hand. 2 - Telescoping fountain pens. The first example of short barrel and long cap that I am aware of is the Kaweco Sport, that appeared in this format in the 1930's as a piston filled fountain pen with a matching mechanical pencil. Since the pencil doesn't require a cap, the concept doesn't apply to it and it ends up being just a short pencil. This pen is 4" capped and 5.5" posted. In the 1960's in Japan Sailor Pilot and Platinum started offering beautiful renditions of short / long fountain pens. The Japanese development of these pens is covered in depth in Richard Binder's e-book Japanese Pocket Pens. Below I show a Pilot Elite and a Pilot MYU from my collection. While telescopic dip pens where common in the late 19th Century, the first telescopic I am aware of is the Pilot telescopic fountain pen in the 1960's. There are probably earlier ones. In the mid 2000's, rOtring came out with telescoping fountain pens, mechanical pencils and ballpoints, the model Esprit Mini, which is currently produced by Parker. I am sure there is much more to this story than what I was able to present here.
  2. In just few minutes www.rotringmuseum.com will be open. Welcome!
  3. JPS_Rotring

    Rotring 600 Visual Guide

    visual guide to the Rotring 600 http://i.imgur.com/WezqgwI.jpg From left to right: 2nd Gen Rollerball, 2nd Gen 18k Gold Nib, 1st Gen Steel Nib. As most of you already have seen plenty of images of the Rotring itself I'm going to concentrate on the differences between the three basic generations. Getting written information about these pens is really difficult because the company got bought by Sanford 1998 and most information of former times was lost or destroyed. Because of those somewhat murky waters I'm gonna refrain from trying to exactly date the generations http://i.imgur.com/gnTbQ27.jpg 1st Generation: No printing on the cap or body, deep knurling, bevel above red ring 50% of height. Was only available in steel, nib indicator has no "L" setting. 2nd Generation: Rotring 600 printed on the cap, not as deep knurling, bevel above red ring 30% to 70% straight. Rollerball and Gold version available 3nd Generation: Rotring 600 printed on the cap, different color used (RAL 3001), deep knurling, bevel above red ring 50% of height, cap is slightly bigger then 1st and 2nd generation. Rollerball and Gold version available. If you find a 2nd or 3rd gen without printing that means it was initially sold via the Rotring branch that sold promotional items to be printed with the promoting company's logo. 4th Generation: USA only, imported by levenger, produced to theire specs in Japan. Not much information available. 4th Gen Second Wave has Levenger printed on the side. Additional silver holding lugs protrude from the grip The mechanism for holding the cap changed too over the years, but there was a cross over period, so there are 1st Gen Caps with 2nd Gen holding caps: http://i.imgur.com/GFRj6Dt.jpg Difference in height http://i.imgur.com/z1iccbZ.jpg Nibs: EF, F, M, OM, B, OB, BB, L (L only starting 2nd Gen), all were available as gold or steel http://i.imgur.com/oVn0dpW.jpg Notice the difference in knurling? Generations from left to right: 1,2,1,2,2,3 Accessories http://i.imgur.com/yy5wHzQ.jpg Top: 4 pen gift case Bottom: 2 pen gift case http://i.imgur.com/AVEm8cW.jpg Holder for ink bottle http://i.imgur.com/1cr71Ie.jpg 2 Pen leather case http://i.imgur.com/xCNB6w1.jpg 4 pen leather case For the grand finale, a few things I've seen people getting wrong: This is not a Rotring 600 http://i.imgur.com/sFUC0cW.jpg This is a Rotring Newton. Although it looks quite similar, it has almost nothing to do with the 600 Series. Because the first run wasn't succesful in terms of sales this was meant to appeal to a broader market. Was mildly more succesful, ran until 1998 when Rotring was bought by Sanford. Sanford initially continued sale but most likely was just selling of old stock. Was removed from catalogue in 2004. This is not a Rotring 600 "Prototype" This is a Rotring Lambda. I've seen a few labeled as 600 Prototype, but they're not. Are about 10 years younger then the 600. Only produced as promotional item. You could get them printed with your name (or what you wanted, made to order) on at a large warehouse chain in Germany. http://i.imgur.com/xoKw8IT.jpg Feel free to ask me anything you want to know about the Rotring 600 and its versions or other Rotring Pens or even Rotring in general. If you want pictures of something in particular, don't hesitate to ask me. Please excuse my grammar and writing, english is my third language. Feel free to point out errors to me!
  4. Hi. just wondering if anyone can assist in determining if this rotring 600 mechanical pencil shown attached is german manufactured or japanese made?? thanks
  5. Hello. I need some help in identifying a Rotring 600 pen that I acquired recently. It is in near mint condition with a wet bold nib. I think I got a great deal. I am curious about the model year and the following attributes: 1. The pen does not have the "Rotring 600" logo in red color on the cap. 2. It does have knurls and the section "bumps" to lock the cap. 3. Has a "Germany" mark on the side of the clip and "Rotring" signature on the side of the nib. Calling out Rotring 600 experts for some more info. Thank you.
  6. The next set of pens in this series come from Tombow and Rotring. They are what seems to be an early Tombow Zoom 101 and a non-telescoping Rotring Espirit. The Epirit predates the absorption of Rotring by Sanford. Both pens are no longer in production. I purchased the Espirit in 2009 and the Zoom 101 in 2007. https://imgchr.com/i/1jszYd">src="https://s2.ax1x.com/2020/02/14/1jszYd.md.jpg" alt="1jszYd.jpg" border="0" /> The pens share little in external appearance although both are thin compared to many pens on the market. The Rotring is made from anodized aluminum and consistent with the companies sleek functional aesthetic. The Tombow is made from what appears to be painted brass with a plastic grip section in the center of the barrel. The clips on both pens are steel. The Rotring cap is pulled off while the Tombow screws off. The Tombow is unusual in that one can change the cartridge without removing the cap while the Rotring has conventional access to the cartridges. The grip on the Tombow is high on the barrel which seems odd at first, but is nice in the hand. The machined ridges on the Rotring also make it sit nicely in the hand. https://imgchr.com/i/1jy29A">src="https://s2.ax1x.com/2020/02/14/1jy29A.jpg" alt="1jy29A.jpg" border="0" /> https://imgchr.com/i/1j6Vu6">src="https://s2.ax1x.com/2020/02/14/1j6Vu6.md.jpg" alt="1j6Vu6.jpg" border="0" /> https://imgchr.com/i/1j6pEF">src="https://s2.ax1x.com/2020/02/14/1j6pEF.md.jpg" alt="1j6pEF.jpg" border="0" /> https://imgchr.com/i/1vVH8P">src="https://s2.ax1x.com/2020/02/14/1vVH8P.md.jpg" alt="1vVH8P.jpg" border="0" /> One can see that asides from the decoration on the nibs, they are identical. In speculating about where the nibs come from, I think that Rotring made the nibs for Tombow or they get the nibs from the same third party OEM. I lean towards the nib being made by Rotring as it features on many of the company’s pens of this period. Tombow also was linked to the Herlitz nibs I examined in the first post in this series, so I doubt Tombow made the nibs for Rotring. Tombow has a history as supplier of a portfolio of stationary supplies, so fountain pens were just another item to complete the product list. Rotring was a more focused niche player and fountain pens played a larger role in the product range. I hope you enjoyed the article and I look forward to your comments. If you know more about this style of nib, please share your knowledge. Thanks for reading.
  7. Hello, new member here. Although I do use fountain pens regularly, mainly a Lamy 2000 with a Fine nib, I'm more fond of mechanical pencils, specially the ones with interesting mechanisms and "quirks and features" as Doug DeMuro would say. I'll start uploading here if anyone's interested, and, if you'd like to see more photos, I post regularly on my Instagram focused on stationery (@mchpncl). Here's my beat up 800. I've been using it on a daily basis for around 4 years now, and I'm always carrying it in my pocket. I hope you guys enjoy the macro photos!
  8. Just a couple of days ago, I missed out on a very good deal. It's a fountain pen version of the Rotring 600, that in itself is something to look out for, but this one seems particularly interesting. The pictures aren't really clear, and the lighting could be much better, but this seems to be a silver version with black trim? A silver barrel with black ends and section. Something I've never seen before. Upon closer inspection, the Rotring logo is colored black as well, and it's missing it's characteristic red ring? My best guess is that it's a very worn down black one, or perhaps intentionally polished to remove the black paint? But maybe there is such color combination out there? Does anyone know? http://rabingosal.com/archive/Rotring_600_black_trim.jpg Whichever it is, misssing out on a $15 Rotring 600 fountain pen is still makes for a sad day...
  9. I recently purchased set of Variant(discontinued), Isograph and Rapidograph pens. All still working It got me thinking, how many people are still using these and which do you prefer the Isograph or Rapidograph?
  10. I have just seen the review of the Rotring Surf pen on Youtube. It looks like a basic pen, with a smooth nib. Does anyone have this pen? If yes, then how cool is it? Here, have a look at the full review first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEM_gAsrMm4
  11. tjt7a

    Repairing A Rotring Core

    Dear Forums, I own a Rotring Core, seen as the top-most pen in this photograph. Unfortunately, the section is cracked! The thin plastic wall with the threads has a crack that is making its way around it, and I don't know what to do. Has anyone fixed anything like this? Here's an image of it completely disassembled. Thanks, Tom
  12. I finally purchased a Rotring 600, it is a levenger branded model that falls into the transition between series 1 and 2. It has knurling and cap retention springs. It is currently fitted with a Fine nib and I would like to swap in an Extra Fine nib. I've found other posts describing models that fit each revision but I haven't come across anything specifically about he transitional model. Will the nib from the Artpen EF sketching model fit (is this a normal EF nib)? I've also seen Esprit nibs listed on Ebay German, would those work? Thanks for your time.
  13. I just bought a Lamy 2000 with medium nib in an old book/stationary store that has a few vintage pens with very old prices and probably have been stored for decades. Got the lamy for 45€ because the old owner had no clue about today's value ... lucky me! He also had a few Rotring fountain pens that I've never seen and can´t find any picture of them on the internet. They are all black and looks like plastic, The cap has a diagonal cut and no clip and the bottom of the barrel is pointed and has a normal size (not long like a deskpen). Between the barrel and the section the pen narrows in a curve to give it a comfortable grip. It's like the shape of a Parker Urban but the narrow part is closer to the section. The nib is a normal steel M nib and looked like a #6 or perhaps a bit bigger. It takes standard international cartridges or converter (not sure if that fits because of the pointed barrel. I didn´t dare to ask to take a picture ... because I thought I'd find it easily on the internet. The old owner said they were also vintage pens like the Lamy 2000 and valued the pens around 25 euros ... which seems to me extremely cheap for a Rotring ... Any idea of what Rotring model this pen could be?
  14. Hi, I have an old but hardly used (and excellent) condition Rotring 600 Newton LAVA edition Rollerball and 0.7mm pencil. These pens were made by Rotring in the 90s, and seem to have been discontinued since then. I am using FPs now, so I am open to selling/trading them. Is there any interest in this group for this pen? I don't want to deal with eBay, if possible. I wanted to check with the non-FP enthusiasts/members. Please PM/reply if you have questions Thanks
  15. RedRinger

    Hello Everyone!

    Hello to all! So glad to finally have a profile here. I've read threads on this site so many times to help answer my questions, and I figured it was finally time to engage actively and make connections. I have always been a fountain pen lover, but have only recently started collecting, first with Rotring and more recently Sheaffer'S. I have some oddities I would love to post photos of to get advice with dating or just answer general "why does my pen look like this!?" kinds of questions. I'll also post photos of my "Follow the Dot" Sheaffer'S collection at some point, still not complete (and perhaps I'll find help there also!) Thanks again for all the help in the past, and it's good to be here to hopefully give back. Matt
  16. pszabi87

    Rotring Artpen Nib Exchange

    Hi Everyone, I have been reading this forum for awhile. I can find great reviews here for what I am really grateful. This time however I have an issue I need help with. My 1st ever fountain pen was a Rotring ArtPen EF nib. Recently the cap falls off & due to its "outfit" I cannot use at everyday's work - on the other hand I really-really love its nib (no wonder - I used it 8+ years only! for writing). Could you please support me what is the size of the nib, or with which pens I could exchange the nib? I tried several EF pens to substitute this nib (Pilot, Hero, Parker) but no luck yet - so it would be great if I could use this one. Thank you pszabi
  17. Does anyone know anything about this multi-pencils existence? http://davesmechanicalpencils.blogspot.com/2007/04/rotring-trio-pencil.html Been scouring the internet and decided to stop here. If anyone has one that they would part with that would be immensely appreciated
  18. hello - I have a mid-1990s vintage Rotring 600 fountain pen with F nib that I love. The cap on this pen has always required a bit of a twist to get it to "lock" after capping it. Over the years, the cap has become looser, and today I noticed that when I cap it (after the twist), it pops back open again (and shoots the cap across the desk, in fact). It no longer stays capped. It appears the brass in either the cap has loosened, or the nubs on the barrel that lock into the receivers on the cap have worn down. I don't see anything up in the cap. Is there any repair for this? Thanks - MM *EDIT - I just got it closed. But it's a pretty tenuous hold.
  19. Hello, I'm am new to this forum. I bought a Tintenkuli and would like some information on it. I have read a post from this website about the history of the pen, but would like to find some instructions. So far I have seen some pictures of the original instructions on eBay but they are in German. I am sure it is a piston driven pen becaus there is a twist knob at the end of the pen. How does that work? Where the ink go in through? The tip or just behind the tip? Any info would help. Please point me in the rite direction. I would appreciate it. Thank you
  20. It's time for another Ink Giveaway PIF! I am giving away most of a bottle of Rotring Persian Red ink. Rotring no longer makes bottled fountain pen ink, so this ink has been out of production for some time. The ink was originally packaged in a bottle with a fill spout, that could fill a converter directly from the bottle (I will attempt to attach a photo). The cap has cracked, so I was forced to transfer the ink to some small jars, which is the way you will receive it. Each jar holds 15ml, and there are about one and a half jars of ink. Here are the rules: 1) United States only. 2) Winners of my previous PIFs (Levenger and OMAS inks) are not eligible for this PIF. 3) Everyone who posts on this thread saying they want the ink through Tuesday, January 3, 2017 is eligible. 4) On January 4, 2017 I'll post here to close the PIF and everyone ahead of me in the thread will be entered. I'll select a winner using the random number generator at random.org. I'll list the winner here, and contact them via PM to set up shipment. 5) You can enter as many of my PIFs as you want, but you can win only one. In the event the same FPN member wins two PIFs, I'll ask you to choose which you want. I'll draw another name to win the other prize. 6) I will ship to the winner for free, in exchange for a letter or postcard from you containing handwritten samples of your five favorite ink colors. Or, you can pay for shipping, whichever you prefer. (I will ship via USPS). 7) Winners who don't respond to my PM within three days after close of the PIF will forfeit their winning. I'll draw again to find another winner. Bottle: http://i.imgur.com/pdEvvxx.jpg Writing Sample: http://i.imgur.com/GuZhWsh.jpg
  21. stuck-in-time

    Hello From Jakarta!

    Hi! I'm a student from Jakarta, Indonesia I love pens and any kind of stationary, for that matter. I like fountain pens, and do own and use many of them, but what I'm really into are drafting stationaries (pencils, technicals pens, and such) and other stuff of a technical nature. I just love admiring the technical looks and straight lines of the pens and pecils like the Rotring 600. Aside from pens and pencils, I like cutters too, I wonder if there is a site like this too for that? Unfortunately, Indonesia is not really a good country for this hobby. Available brands of fountain pens are very limited and it gets worse when it comes to drafting pencils... And the stuff that's available in the general stationary stores are mostly quite expensive ones, which I can't really afford. I'm grateful, though, that now, starting this year, I can see the Rotring 600s and 800s with my own eyes in the bookstores. I looks like there's hope for me after all! It's worth noting that here the fountain pen is a rather unusual thing to write with. You see a few them in bookstores, but to see someone actually writing with it is very rare. We're not taught to use them is schools, like some other countries, from what I've read.
  22. hi folks! I just found my mom's rOtring Newton lying around, but on inspection, neither I nor my parents could open it. any thoughts? I'd like to be able to use this thing. I'm just hoping it hasn't rusted to hell in the past ~10 years...thanks in advance!
  23. Hi, I don't know if anyone here can help, but I am trying to track down any information I can about Rotring ArtPens SF and EF that I purchased it in Australia at least twenty years ago. They are identical in form but unlike other pens in the ArtPen series they have technical pen nibs (similar to isograph or rapidograph pens) . I have been unable to locate any references or pictures of them on the web so I am hoping someone may be able to help. Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
  24. Dear FPNers, This is a review of two mechanical pencils - rotring 800 and the lesser known pilot s20. Both are very different in both design and make and I have not compared them in anything apart from their dimensions. In case you face any problem with the pictures, please feel free to read the same in the below link: http://iwonder-thecartographer.blogspot.in/2014/12/review-of-pilot-s20-rotring-800.html A mechanical pencil was a totally utilitarian thing during my engineering days, be it for drafting engineering drawings or making graphs. Shortly after, their utility started diminishing when AutoCAD and other drawing software could address most of the design elements, although their luxury value started beaming. Like fountain pens. Sparsely used but heavily sought after. That reminds me that I am still typing this post on a laptop rather than using one of my FPs. Mechanical pencils can delve from cheap plastic to rugged metal to precious wooden designs. In my view, metal designs seem to showcase more of modern industrial utility whereas wooden designs foray more into the aesthetics part of it.Mechanical Pencils A brief history in timeAccording to wikipedia, the earliest form of a mechanical pencil was found in a ship-wreck (British ship HMS Pandora) in 1791. However, the first patent was filed in 1822 by Mordan & Hawkins in Great Britain. Later Mordan started manufacturing mechanical pencils under the company – “S.MORDAN & CO”. Leads upto 0.9 mm wide became popular by this time. By 1915, Japanese were into it and Tokuji Hayakawa started a company to manufacture mechanical pencils, which later came to be known as “Sharp” due to its first product – ‘Ever-Sharp mechanical pencil’. After the entire pencil division was destroyed in 1923, by the Great Kanto Earthquake, Sharp relocated to Osaka and forayed into electronics industry.Pilot S20 – 0.5 mmA maple wood contoured design with a deep brown colour renders a very natural feel with a classical wooden look. The entire end cap section is made out of aluminium with a steel lead sleeve, till the seamlessly finished wooden grip section comes up. The grip section gradually gains diameter going upwards from the end-cap (0.8 – 1.1 mm) till it reaches a small aluminium band which says ‘S20’ and ‘JAPAN’ on opposite sides of the band. Then, it narrows down towards the push-button section, till it comes across a pilot branded aluminium clip and finally ends up with the aluminium(+ plastic) push-button. http://s25.postimg.org/as4nm48tr/DSC_1089.jpghttp://s25.postimg.org/gzbg8jf73/DSC_1093.jpghttp://s25.postimg.org/3rgntc71r/IMG_2806.jpgThere is a lead-indicator in the push-button. To set the lead indicator, you have to remove the push-button which reveals an ubiquitous mechanical pencil’s eraser and rotate the pipe end of the push-button. The eraser section once removed shows a hosted clean-out rod. Design does seem minimalistic with a subtle emphasis on simplicity. The weight feels quite evenly distributed and the length of around 15 cm is quite comfortable to write or draw for extended periods. Sweaty slips at the grip section should be quite rare or even a non-occurrence. The grip section feels very firm.The pencil itself comes in two wooden variants – Red and Brown.http://static1.jetpens.com/images/a/000/021/21865.JPG The mechanism operates with a audible click sound at the push-button and is quite error free. It’s quite comfortable to use for long writing or drawing sessions. As per my experience, putting additional 4-6 leads inside the lead reservoir tube will not cause any blocking problems at the sleeve end. The S20 ends with comfortable aesthetics.For the disassembly part, the end-cap with the sleeve can be easily unscrewed from the barrel and the push-button and eraser-sections can be pulled out easily. I did not attempt any further disassembly, as the parts of the barrel seemed tightly fixed.Rotring 800 – 0.5 mm http://s25.postimg.org/86z2yljfz/DSC_1100.jpg As evident from the above picture, the lead sleeve does not come out unless you rotate the top knurled section which rests just below the gold-trim of the push button. So a completely retractable mechanical pencil with an all metal construction. Mostly constituted out of coated brass, the 800 has a weight of around 25 g compared to S20’s 18 g. To draw a comparison, both of them will be heavier than a Pelikan M400 or a Sailor-Pro gear slim fountain pen. It is available in two themes – silver and black. Design seems utilitarian, industrial with a subtle emphasis on its high-end design. It’s somehow evidenced by the gold trims to differentiate it from a 600. The sleeve comes out smoothly on half a rotation of the knurled switch. With a feeling of balanced heaviness and assurance, the pencil seems superior to many. The hexagonal cross section of the barrel prevents it from slipping from inclined planes and the knurled grip does the same for your fingertips. The tip apparently can wiggle a bit compared to other fixed sleeve-pencils (like 600), but does not really do so while in use. http://s25.postimg.org/pizfk1cxb/DSC_1096.jpg Very uniform yet very attractive to use. The pencil can be disassembled easily by removing the knurled grip section to reveal the inner tube. Cleaning can be done if required. The eraser cap and eraser section can be pulled out. The clip mentions ‘rotring’ while the backside of the hexagonal body says ‘JAPAN’ quite elusively. http://s25.postimg.org/7ccjckblb/IMG_2805.jpg In ConclusionA mechanical pencil will typically cost around 50 cents in my part of the world. But these two are beyond just mechanical pencils, perhaps a work of art and even a draftsman dream . Writing http://s25.postimg.org/qrnb5o4vj/DSC_1103.jpg FeaturePilot S20 Rotring 800Additional CommentsLengthPilot S20Fixed Sleeve ~ 14.6 cmRotring 800Retracted Sleeve ~ 13.5 cmExtended Sleeve ~ 14.3 cmQuite Comfortable with respect to both length and weightWeightPilot S2018 gRotring 80025 gDesignPilot S20Maple wood and aluminium construction with Lead Grade Indicator at top cap- Red and Brown VariantsRotring 800Brass construction, Gold Trim, Matte Finish with hexagonal anti-slip faces on barrel, Knurled grip- Black and Silver Variants- Both are ‘Made in Japan’ by the wayBarrelPilot S20Contoured Wood – 0.8 – 1.1 cmRotring 800Knurled brass – 0.8 cm diameter- Both engage the writer in a non-slip(y) wayTipPilot S20Fixed Sleeve, Loud Click, Aluminium/Steel lead sleeveRotring 800Retractable Sleeve, Gold trimmed sleeve MechanismPilot S20 Hard ClickSoft Click Lead CapacityPilot S20~ 6 -8 without blockingRotring 800~ 10 without blocking Economic ValuePilot S20 Retails at $33, can be obtained at around $ 20-25 with shipRotring 800 Retails at $70, can be obtained around $60 from ebay-sellers- You can get a mechanical pencil at 50 cents!!- However, these are more than just mechanical pencils, perhaps a draftsman’s dreamBoxPilot S20- Pilot BoxRotring 800 - A triangular cardboard box Thank you for going through the review.
  25. Can somebody ID this rOtring mechanical pencil? Found it when I was going through some old stuff. Don't remember where or when I got it. Markings are : "rOtring", "Germany" and "0.7". When you click it lightly, the pencil lead advances. When you click it harder, the lead sleeve retracts/extends. Does anybody know how it was(is) called? And from when to when it was made? Can't seem to find it on the timelinethingy on the rOtring website. http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/Blastmaster1972/Tijdelijk/IMG_1200-rotr-ed_zpsbqmf3lvn.jpg http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/Blastmaster1972/Tijdelijk/IMG_1201-rotr-ed_zpsb3ct5itz.jpg http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/Blastmaster1972/Tijdelijk/IMG_1204-rotr-ed_zpshidc5aho.jpg The lead sleeve retracts: http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/Blastmaster1972/Tijdelijk/IMG_1206-rotr-ed_zpswk5ezuvq.jpg http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/Blastmaster1972/Tijdelijk/IMG_1208-rotr-ed_zpsqv4vksa7.jpg Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Jos





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