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  1. I just wanted to share that I may have stumbled on some good (not excellent), cheap, fountain pen friendly paper in the form of the Office Depot Hard Back Cover Business Notebook. The highlights are that it's 22# paper, narrow ruled, and bright white. Although wirebound, there are micro perforations to easily tear out pages. The paper feels very smooth to the fingers and is a nice bright white. Writing felt smooth using European fine, Japanese medium, and equivalent wider nibs. I could feel distinct feedback when using European EF nibs, Japanese F and EF nibs. Ironically, a lot of that feedback went away when I didn't follow good practices and had the paper directly on the table surface instead the recommended having a few sheets of paper underneath. No feathering, and only light ghosting. (Or at least light ghosting to me because I may have gotten used to seeing ghosting on Tomoe River and Moleskin paper.) No bleed through with my small set of factory inks from Pilot, Diamine, and Robert Oster, but I'm seeing a little bit of bleed through where my ink pools with my homebrew Fuyu-Syogun with White Lightning mix.
  2. So I have like four dot grid notebooks that were gifts because people knew I liked pens and use dot grid notebooks. The problem I'm having is that they bleed and feather when I use anything other than a fine or extra-fine nib, or a wet ink. I would like to find someway to use them, until I can get a fountain pen friendly B5 notebook for my daily notes. There has been significant discussion on using art fixatives to preserve notes, addresses, drawings, etc. AFTER they have been created, but I can't find anything regarding reducing the porosity and absorbency of "cheap paper" to make it fountain pen friendly. Does anyone have solutions or hacks for this, or is it simply buying quality (and expensive) papers. I am going to do a test with my wife's hair spray lightly sprayed on a sheet then quickly wiped down. Thoughts and suggestions appreciated. Jim Bunch
  3. Paganini

    Ink For Everyday Writing

    TL;DR version: Looking for ink to put in my Pilot Metropolitan - F. Two priorities: won't feather on cheap paper (e.g., AMPAD yellow legal pads, standard filing cards and envelopes from STAPLES), won't smear like crazy when handled once dry (i.e., not Noodler's black). Does such an ink exist? Greetings Pen People, I come seeking the wisdom of your collective experience. I'm looking for the best black ink! I know right? Isn't everyone. There are so many threads about this that, reading over the weekend, my head started to spin. JetPens has over 70 individual black inks for sale, and only 12 of them are Noodler's! OK, the truth is, it doesn't even have to be black. Blue would be fine, or any relatively serious color that works for everyday writing. What I'm really looking for is an ink that doesn't feather on cheap paper, but that also holds up well to being handled. Let me explain. I use my pens for normal daily writing tasks, such as: * Addressing envelopes * Recording filing cards * Making grocery lists * Writing in planners / journals * Taking lesson notes for my students (I'm a music teacher) * Filling out tax / employment forms That means I'm often looking at paper like STAPLES index cards and envelopes, yellow AMPAD legal pads, and whatever comes out of the contractor's printer / copy machine. My first bottle of "real" ink was Noodler's black (the plain jane one with a fish on it). I got it to go with my first "real" fountain pen, which was a LAMY AlStar F nib. (Purchased, incidentally, after extensive Google research in these very forums. Thanks guys! It was real upgrade from the AS SEEN ON TV REAL IRIDIUM NIB pen I found at Walgreens for $12.) Those two - AlStar and Noodler's black - got along relatively well, but you can't stop after just one pen, right? So here are my main pens: LAMY Safari EF Platinum Plaisir 03 Pilot Metropolitan F That's a pretty standard set of not-too-expensive pens, I believe. I have a few other odds and ends (a Preppy 05 that I mostly use for testing paper - it writes like a fricking Sharpie, a LAMY Joy 1.1 that I sometimes dabble in italic with, an ink-starved Parker Urban, etc.) but my favorite is the Pilot MR. It's the one I'm most likely to be addressing an envelope with, and, therefore, the one I'd like to match my daily ink to. So what's wrong with Noodler's black? It looks great, right? I like its really dark unshaded blackness; it doesn't feather (much) on a yellow AMPAD. The problem is that no matter how long it dries it smears when you touch it. I'm not doing art writing (at least, not most of the time). The writing I do gets handled. Right now I'm using Platinum Carbon black. It's great! Once it locks in it's going nowhere nohow. Unfortunately, it feathers badly on everyday paper. Other inks I've tested are Noodlers Heart of Darkness (yikes! even worse!), Platinum (non-carbon) black, and Pilot black. I was thinking about going back to basics and trying some bog standard inks like LAMY or Waterman. Long ago I had some LAMY black, and some Parker Quink. I gave them away because I didn't care for their washed-out look, and now I don't remember how they behaved on cheap paper. I'd be willing to put up with a less-black black (or a shaded blue I guess) if it meant no feathering and no smearing. Does that seem like a good idea? Ideally, and for maximum style points, if this non-feathering non-smearing ink came in a dark teal-ish green, that would be awesome. Thanks for reading! - N
  4. My boss has really taken to fountain pens, which is very pleasing, and he's scheming to apply a graphical look to a show he's developing. So he's lately much taken with the look of his Waterman Commando on cheap paper: feathery, bleedy paper. Newsprint! Of course, I'm a paper snob as well as a pen snob, so I'm less delighted with the look, but he's the boss, and I'm rather attached to the project (especially since one of the characters looks like me). If this goes anywhere it's going to be an interesting ride.
  5. I was writing with my Conklin Mark Twain today and just really enjoying everything about the pen from its buttery smooth nib to its well balanced weight. After writing some lines I set the pen down, picked up my Esterbrook J, and walked out the door to head to an interview for a new job (I got the job, by the way). I did this because as much as I enjoy my Conklin, it just does not write well on cheap paper. My Esterbrook J (with an Osmiroid Medium Italic nib), on the other hand, is an excellent choice for use with cheap paper. It is what I am most likely to bring with me when I know that I will be dealing with junk paper. I have it perpetually loaded with Lamy blue-black ink, and ready to go anytime that I need to write on my daughter's school stuff, random employment papers, or official forms. It is the pen that I pick up when I do not know about the quality of paper that I am about to write on. I think that most of us have a go-to pen and ink combination for use with cheap paper. I am curious to hear what other folks use for the random bits of junk paper that they may encountered on a daily basis, so tell us about the pen and ink combos that you use for those questionable quality pages that you happen across. Is your go-to pen and ink for use on cheap paper different than your every day pen and ink? How much does the anticipation of dealing with cheap paper affect your choice in what you carry out the door?
  6. Diamine Registrar's is my go-to ink for work, because it doesn't feather/bleeds through even the cheapest papier. It's quite expensive though, and I've bought some Ecclesiastical Stationery Supplies Registrars, which is three times less expensive (factoring in shipping costs). After a workday of using both inks, the differences I've noticed : 1. The colour is virtually undistinguishable. 2. ESSRI is less dry than Diamine, so it's the ink of choice for drier pens. 3. ESSRI does feather slightly and does bleed through slightly, whereas Diamine almost never does. See the comparison here : Recto : http://i.imgur.com/gZ5LGby.jpg, Verso : http://i.imgur.com/3PWCJwE.jpg The first two lines are written with ESSRI, and the rest with Diamine.
  7. Hello, if this has been discussed before, feel free to point me in the right direction. :-) We all know whether any given ink works well for you depends on the pen in which is used, the nib size, and the paper you write on, but I am interested in learning what are the best overall inks members know about, in any and every pen or paper. After some experience, though not a lot of different inks, I am forced to the conclusion that the safest and overall best performing ink I know is Lamy blue for the following reasons: 1-Least likely to clog or stain a pen, at least any pen I have tried 2-Among the least likely to bleed through bad paper, little if any feathering in most papers I tried 3-Excellent drying speed, though probably not the fastest of them all. 4-Attractive dark, saturated color always for an ink apparently intended for cheap paper. 5-Flows well on dry pens, seems to work well on wet pens. The point of this topic is, I love Lamy blue, but I wish to find other inks (and other colors) that meet the above characteristics. Based on other comments, I have tried other popular inks, with the following results Lamy black: dries fast, but much more likely to bleed through, unattractive gray black, some residue left inside the pen, though not nearly as much as Noodler's black Noodlers black: one of my favorites, but seems temperamental with the weather, some of my pens don't like it much, and it leaves visible residue inside bladder pens that I cannot wash off, though I cannot prove that is bad for the pen. Great on cheap paper though. Hero carbon ink: another favorite, dries fast, good color, but tends to clog some pens, can feather badly on some papers. Quink black: one the safest inks for pens available, apparently, but it has bleed through issues in my tests on cheap paper, and the color is kind of dull. Noodler's X-feather: competes very closely with Lamy blue when it comes to not bleeding through cheap paper, but sometimes Lamy blue actually bleeds through less on some paper, and X-feather is not really usable in high quality paper because of very slow drying, and it clogs some of my pens. I have tried other inks with mixed results, but none of those others comes close to the above in terms of usability with any pen, nib, or paper (X-feather is mentioned only because of how well Lamy blue performs compared to it for its intended purpose, it is otherwise troublesome when not used as intended). Hopefully what I am after is not too confusing. Thanks in advance. :-)
  8. bukhsyed

    Ink Comparison

    Following is an Ink Comparison. please forgive me if i make a mistake, today is my first day on this forum and i am trying to learn as well. anyways below are some pics of the writing i did earlier Scanned images These are Pictures from my camera (sorry about the focus i was trying to create an effect ) flickr link for HD pics https://www.flickr.com/photos/43346273@N07/
  9. Hi, I have Lamy 2000 EF filled with noodler's #41 brown at the moment, and I mostly write on HP Laserjet 24lb paper with this pen. Before I used noodler's #41 brown, I had tried noodler's 54th Massachusetts and it wrote really thick on the paper which I dislike. With noodler's #41 brown, it writes little bit thinner but still thick for my taste. I have read things about iron gall inks behaving well on cheaper papers. Thus, I was searching for some iron gall inks (no black color) for my lamy 2000. However, I am worried that it may corrode/damage the pen. I wonder if there is anyone using iron gall inks in lamy 2000 and how you maintain it! Also, if you know other thin inks on HP Laserjet 24lb paper, please recommend me them as well!! (I have ordered HP Premium Choice Laserjet Paper 32lb and will try if the pen writes thinner on this paper when I get them) Thanks,
  10. Epicsockzebra

    Good Color Inks For Cheap Paper

    Hello everybody, hope you are doing well, I'm quite new to this forum and to fountain pens in general. I'm a highschool student who recently got into fountain pens after my mother dug up a bunch of her old Pelikan pens (she lived in Germany) and I absolutely loved it, problem is that it bleeds on almost EVERY paper i try. I recently decided to get a higher quality one, since my mother told me that it was pen meant for young grade school, it was not extremely high quality. So I decided to pick up a Platinum Plaisir with a converter and was wondering if any of you experienced folks happen to know of a good ink which is an alternate color, as I have seen noodlers xfeather and bulletproof, but I don't really want to write in black all the time. For me black/blue inks get quite boring and i would prefer a nice green, teal color, or something like Noodler's Apache Sunset(the color on that one I really enjoy, just don't know how it bleeds and don't know if my teachers will enjoy reading my essays and homework in an orange hue ), overall the most important thing is that it doesn't bleed on cheap paper, and of slightly less value is that it doesn't feather too much. So in short, I'm looking for a way to circumvent my problem of inks that bleed on cheap paper, but also trying to fulfill the goal of having a nice, exciting ink. Also as a side note, if anyone knows of a better starter FP that is on the cheaper end that has a fine nib I'd be extremely glad to hear any recommendations Thanks in advance!
  11. Hello everyone! I'm new to the FP network (about 5 minutes ago) and am still learning the ropes of both the network and the fountain pen itself. I am a student in high school and just started using fountain pens this semester and am loving it. I own two Noodler's Ahabs and am looking to get something that will work better with cheap paper, as I cannot shell out money for Rodia, Clairefontaine and the like due to the fact that I take about 2-3 pages of notes a school day.I have been drawn to the TWSBI mini because of the modern design and because it seems to work well with cheap paper. Is this a good choice? If not what else? At the same time, I am looking for cheap paper that will bring out the best in my inks without feathering and such. Is Staplers Bagasse any good? And finally, if I do get the TWSBI mini, would Noodler's "Bad Blue Heron" be safe to use in it?
  12. ISW_Kaputnik

    Two Printer Papers

    In the below picture, the two scraps of paper on the right were cut from the two sizes of printer paper we use in the office, US legal (8.5 x 14 inches) and letter (8.5 x 11 inches). My little Rhodia notebook is next to them for comparison. All the writing samples are with the same Esterbrook; the only thing not indicated on the paper is the nib, a 9788, which is described as an "extra flexible medium". It doesn't really flex much, though, without more pressure than I typically put on it, and the line it puts down can be close to fine. http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/mapn/Pens/Papers_zps4475d923.jpg I noticed long ago that internal forms which we print on the legal size paper are not FP friendly. One in particular, where I have to fill in little boxes, is best done with a ballpoint. The ink simply spreads out too much, as you can see in the top sample. The letter size paper, on the other hand, is just fine with fountain pens. These come from the same office supply chain, with the store's branding. It's not likely that the uncut size has anything to do with the difference in performance, of course. More likely they are intended for different uses. Or perhaps the seller sources them from different paper manufacturers. Just thought this was an interesting example of the wide differences in "normal" papers, from the point of view of an FP user.
  13. Brian Goulet just made an awesome video on "Back to School", a guide for using fountain pens in school. It's something that I've been looking for and this summer I just got into fountain pens. The video is very informative. http://www.inknouveau.com/2014/08/fp101-back-to-school-shopping.html One thing I want to point out, everyone says that if you write in cursive it will improve your memory because you have to concentrate more on what you're writing, I disagree with this. I write everything in cursive and I have done so for years now, so writing in cursive is effortless for me, no it's not gorgeous, but I do not concentrate very hard on this. The concept is that you have to be concentrating harder, the study was also conducted with people who don't normally write in cursive. So if you're like me and write in cursive all the time, switch to writing in print, I find I concentrate harder when doing so and I remember things better when I switch to print because I'm not used to forming the letters in print. I could be entirely wrong here so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong I don't mind. =) Also, today I picked up four cheap Composition notebooks from Wal-Mart. Three were made in Brazil, the other was made in Vietnam.....Holy....Cow. I am shocked at the differences. The one from Vietnam threhad more tooth and wasn't smooth, it was more absorbent and feathered badly. The three from Brazil feathered VERY little, and there was hardly any bleed through. Like none. A few spots here and there from where I started the stroke or ended it. The paper was very smooth, more tooth than Rhodia, but still very smooth. The pens stayed truer to their marked size. I wrote with three pens. 1. Monteverde Impressa with Fine nib, the ink was Diamine Ancient Copper 2. Noodler's Ahab with flex nib, the ink was Diamine Ancient Copper 3. Pilot Metropolitan with M nib, the ink was Diamine Grey The Grey had the overall least amount of bleed through. These notebooks were on sale for $.50! I did find several ones made in Brazil that had more tooth to them, I didn't purchase them so I don't know how they perform, the three from Brazil that I bought had very smooth paper. So be aware, it seems as if even the ones from Brazil aren't made as consistently as one might think.
  14. Just thought I would share my 'find'. These notebooks are available in Dollarama for $2 around here (Toronto) and take fountain pen ink beautifully. The texture is smooth and while there is show-through, there is literally no bleed-through. Both sides of the paper can easily be used. I found some where the margin line is a bit lighter (more orange than red) and it felt like the paper on these was not as smooth as the ones with the red margin line. I'm not sure if this applies to all or just the 2 or 3 notebooks I have sampled. This is what the notebook looks like: A page of writing with various inks (the page is white, the lighting is just poor where I took the pics) ... and the reverse of the page above: - Salman
  15. Hello FPN! I'm new here and I know that this topic is a little bit reptitive yet are some criteria the other threads are missing about the question I am about to ask in which I look to get some advice. Like many of the other threads, I am a student in university and being in lectures require me to write fast and turn pages. Knowing how long some inks dry, turning the page would tend to cause some ink to transfer onto the adjacent page of which the written side is facing. Also, being in NYC during the year, inks tend to come out of paper due to changes in weather and water getting in my bag from time to time due to heavy rain. So basically what I am looking in an ink is colorfastness, fast-drying, good flow, and no feathering/bleedthrough on cheap composition notebook as well as Mead 5 Subject notebooks. Any help on ink, as well as paper, would help. Thanks in advance and look forward to the responses I get. P.S. I am mostly gonna be writing with a Pilot Custom Heritage 912 with a WA nib, which is techically a medium that can write at any angle.
  16. http://www.ebay.com/itm/281089063455?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 I read some good reviews of Muji notebooks being fountain pen friendly so I ordered a couple different Muji notebooks. The spiral bound Muji notebooks will be coming in soon. Details: selling price is about $7, $3 shipping (you can haggle for a slightly cheaper price)about 5.8" by 4.1"144 sheets, not pages, of cream colored paperPro's: very smooth creamy colored paperbeautiful minimalist appearanceresists bleedthroughcould probably withstand very wet and broad nibs, but the feathering might make writing with wide nibs unbearableCons: Some inks will feather on this paper, the feathering I noticed was bearable but slightly noticeable.Showthrough occurs, but isn't noticable if you write on both sides of the page. Recommended? It's not a terrible notebook. I'm looking forward to finding a use for it (I misjudged the size of the book upon ordering, I was looking for a slightly larger book for class notes. ). It's competitively priced against Black n Red, Rhodia, and Clairefontaine notebooks which have amazing reviews and quality control (I haven't tried those brands yet). To be honest I'd recommend notebooks from the previously mentioned brands, the pictures of ink performance on those papers show much better fp friendliness than this paper. http://24.media.tumblr.com/bd576b69df00613736e2390777c6bc5a/tumblr_mnmta3AbRP1r4c920o1_500.jpg http://25.media.tumblr.com/22ef75b0155f601c3aa1205bdbc8077f/tumblr_mnmta3AbRP1r4c920o2_1280.jpg http://25.media.tumblr.com/de3c75e9c6da34d111df0e00966071a9/tumblr_mnmta3AbRP1r4c920o3_1280.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/7aa118a191952dafec0854dd439aa712/tumblr_mnmta3AbRP1r4c920o4_1280.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/033164c46627b340742d7dd7bf68307b/tumblr_mnmta3AbRP1r4c920o5_1280.jpg
  17. Unfortunately, I don't own any Clairefontaine, Rhodia, or Apica paper to compare this relatively cheap paper to. - the "too long;didn't read" version of this review is towards the bottom of this post under "Summary" - I'm new to fountain pens and I recently discovered the ink+paper combination problem. I didn't see how bad feathering was on some copy and looseleaf filler papers until I started writing in this Smart Living 1 Subject Notebook. I finally understood and saw the qualities of FP friendly paper compared to non-FP friendly paper. The notebook paper extended dry times, resisted feathering so that medium nibs didn't lay down Sharpie marker-like lines, and allowed tiny pools of ink to dry into beautiful varied shades of color. The notebook cost me a mere $1.50 at my local Giant grocery store. On my most recent grocery run (a day ago from today) I picked up a couple 150 sheet packs of the Smart Living brand's filler paper for about $2 (0.99 per pack). Here is a picture for anyone interested in searching for this paper after reading this review: http://24.media.tumblr.com/11a30e18203536646a54510326c634dd/tumblr_mnlsrstyZO1r4c920o1_500.jpg I don't recommend the notebook if you're looking for sturdiness. The covers feel like floppy posterboard and the pages aren't securely bound. The pages began falling apart upon opening the notebook. This issue of securing pages together could probably be resolved by tying some string into the binder holes, or you could just stick the notebook in a binder. http://25.media.tumblr.com/8e9425955dd1c5ac5be3a0f4e98a4ec7/tumblr_mnlsrstyZO1r4c920o2_1280.jpg I removed a sheet of notebook paper for the writing sample. I torture-tested the paper's ability to resist bleedthrough with a THICK Sharpie marker and found little bleedthrough. The only negative trait of this paper is its ghosting, but the ghosting loses its noticeability after you write over both sides of the paper. note: there was a SLIGHT bit of feathering with the Conklin blue cartridge ink. What may appear to be feathering with the Monteverde ink is actually just bad handwriting due to a slightly shakey hand. http://25.media.tumblr.com/0536a98597f7669762dee6827ccc4b19/tumblr_mnlsrstyZO1r4c920o5_1280.jpg Backside of the notebook paper: http://25.media.tumblr.com/238878dbe0d4c67c5d9abca6efdd6d31/tumblr_mnlsrstyZO1r4c920o6_1280.jpg Like I mentioned earlier, the ghosting is prominent but bleedthrough isn't a problem whatsoever : ) The filler paper offered a completely different performance. The filler paper feels much thinner and flimsier. The surface of the paper is rough compared to the surprisingly smooth surface of the notebook paper. Ink didn't feather too much on this paper. Monteverde "Blue Black" (more like a blue-gray, I bought it for the grayish color) and Conklin blue had a little bit of feathering (hardly noticeable to me). Lexington gray and Monteverde Blue-Black managed a little bit of shading. http://25.media.tumblr.com/2cceaab5ab2daad75598255e8aafa70c/tumblr_mnlsrstyZO1r4c920o3_1280.jpg The one quality of this paper that may turn people from purchasing it is its bleedthrough problems. Backside of the filler paper: http://25.media.tumblr.com/4dbf66b0f3af2d4be9eecde90cf41396/tumblr_mnlsrstyZO1r4c920o4_1280.jpg I didn't bother with treating this paper to a Sharpie bleedthrough test. I think you can see why. This paper would probably bleed ink onto surfaces beneath it if extremely wet broad and flex nibs are used. But for the price of the paper? Sorry, I have to quote Macklemore here: "it was 99 cents!" ------ Summary: Smart Living 1 Subject Notebook 80 Sheets, $1.50 Smart Living Filler Paper Pack 150 Sheets, $0.99 Be on the lookout for the Smart Living Notebooks, the paper quality in the notebooks is different from the filler paper. I'm sure the notebook paper isn't on par with Rhodia and Clairefontaine paper, but you're getting a smooth surfaced feather and bleedthrough free paper for a dollar. The notebook's pages aren't securely bound, but that issue can be cheaply remedied by tying some string through the binder holes. (at least the pages are easy to remove for binder/notebook system filling if you don't want to put up with the whole notebook) ------- Look for the 150 sheet packs of Smart Living filler paper if you... usually write on one pageuse fine and medium nibsare okay with a slightly rough paper surfacedon't mind flimsy (compared to 32 lb copy paper) paper.

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