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  1. Noodler's Baystate Blue needs no introduction. I am just a few months into the fountain pen hobby, but even I know that there is no other ink that polarizes the fountain pen community as much as the Baystate Blue (BSB). You either hate it or love it. I bought a bottle of this ink because much of my work happens near water tanks and I needed a waterproof ink for signing documents. But after I ordered the BSB on Amazon, I came to know about another water resistant ink that is made by a part time ink and pen making medical doctor named Sreekumar who lives just 3 hours away from my home. He owns Krishna Inks and Krishna Pens. His waterproof ink is beautifully named as Krishna Lyrebird Water Sapphire Blue. So I got a bottle of that too. I now use BSB in office and Krishna Ink at home for signing the documents. The comparison of both inks, including their resistance to water and bleach, follows. 1. Colour The picture compares Krishna Water Sapphire and Baystate Blue with common inks like Lamy Blue, Sheaffer Blue and Camlin Blue on TNPL 80 GSM Platinum Copier paper. Without question, Baystate Blue is the best colour (in my opinion). In fact the BSB actually jumps out of the paper and my amateur photography skill doesn't do justice to its vibrance. All other colours including Krishna Water Sapphire look dull and boring in comparison. 2. Writing Experience I used two identical Camlin Elegante fine nib fountain pens and Rhodia paper to test the writing experience. Baystate Blue is wetter and and gives more line width. Krishna Ink has less flow but is no less smooth. 3. Drying time I again used identical Camlin Elegante fine nibbed pens on Rhodia paper to determine the drying times. Average drying time for both inks is seen to be about 10 seconds on Rhodia. I repeated this test on TNPL 80 GSM copier paper and the drying time was about 8 seconds for both inks. 4. Water Resistance a) Drip Test I dropped nearly equal amounts of water on the handwritten samples and let the water remain for 30 minutes. Photograph shows the condition after 30 minutes. Both inks showed some top layer run off, but BSB is more water resistant to Krishna Water Sapphire. b) Dip Test I dipped swabs of 5 ink different inks on TNPL copier paper in plain tap water filled tumblers. Before dipping: The next picture is taken just a few minutes after dipping. Lamy, Sheaffer and Camlin inks are no longer in the race. 30 minutes later: Krishna Ink is somewhat water resistant and we can still read the text. Baystate Blue is also not waterproof but clearly more water resistant than the Krishna Ink. 5. Bleach Resistance This was the most interesting of all tests. I used the same ink swabs which had undergone the dip test and poured a few drops of 0.5% w/w Harpic bleaching solution over them. 5 minutes after the exposure to the bleach, Baystate Blue had already started dissolving but Krishna Ink was holding up: 1 hour after exposure: Within an hour, Baystate ink was almost gone and the text was no longer visible. Krishna Water Sapphire was still holding up and the text remained legible. 2 hours after exposure: Part of the text written with Krishna Ink was visible even after 2 hours! Krishna Ink thus won the bleach resistance test. 6. Price (in India) Baystate Blue: INR 4888/- (US$ 66.75) on Amazon for 133 ml (4.5 oz) bottle, after a 75% discount. But you get a beautiful Noodler's Charlie pen for free with the ink. Krishna Water Sapphire: Rs 250/- (US$ 3.41) for 30 ml bottle. The math is left to you. 7. Staining Potential Noodler's Baystate Blue is notorious for staining various surfaces. But I have found it to be a non-issue so far. Bleach can easily remove it. Just be careful not to spill it over something that can't be bleached - like the currency notes, fine leather, costly carpets etc. Krishna Ink stains can be removed with water (and soap, if required) if you notice them immediately. But once the ink dries, those stains can be stubborn due to the water and bleach resistance. Be careful while handling either ink. The Verdict I like both the inks. Both Baystate Blue and Krishna Lyrebird Water Sapphire have character. I use both the inks regularly. So which one to buy? The choice is yours.
  2. I think this is a "service" question, but if this is the wrong forum, I'm sure someone will tell me. ;-) I have a Noodler's Nib Creeper (among the first couple of production runs of it, I think) flex nib pen, which exclusively uses Bay State Blue. I am aware of all standard caveats about BSB. This pen writes SUPER dry. Just blotchy ink flow. Even after cleaning (standard soap to water, as well as some bleach and water, since that's a recommended approach for this ink). I've even take a little bit of light brushing to the ebonite feeder, and a bit of careful specific attention to the center feeder channel. On occasion, after a cleaning, the flow will be pretty good (not great), but if I don't use the pen for a few days (say 5-30), we go back to bad flow. Most reviews I have read of the ink indicate it is pretty wet in general, so this is all rather confusing/frustrating to have a dry writer with BSB. Especially with Noodler's own pen. What can I do? What am I missing? (I'd buy a new pen to test, but the ones that won't show BSB staining [dark blues] are sold out at my preferred retailer.) TIA!
  3. Adgj533

    Baystate Blue Not So Blue

    Hey guys I am relatively new to this forums, I bought 2 samples of baystate blue from goulet pens. just need your input on it because I inked it up on my nemosine pen with a goulet M nib and the ink looks purple to me. for example like diamine majestic purple. I am using cheap paper but I tried it on good quality paper as well and I get the same results. I get a washed out purple with no saturation. Everyone talks about how bright this ink is but I sadly dont see it. Do you think I got a "bad" sample for some reason, I love goulet pens so I dont think they would make any mistakes. I tried samples a few years back and had the same problem. Or do you think I need the full bottle for somehow to get the full effect? Another thing, I found 2 reviews here on BSB first one is by Mafia Geek and that is how my ink looks like. In his review he says it is a bright blue but to me that looks like a purple color. Next review I found by Bubba Dog and this is how BSB should look like. this to me a in your face blue that I love but I dont know how these 2 users have such different outcomes in terms of color. They both used quality paper, Does the Nib size matter? thats the only thing I could think of. Bubba dog mentions he used a medium nib and I used a M nib too. ( btw I dont mean to undermine any reviewers or their hard work. I just wanted to know why the difference in color. I didnt mean any offense in anyway) Please help me
  4. For those of you just tuning in, two of the first three inks I bought were Noodler's (the third was Iroshizuku Shin-Kai). One of them was the infamous Bay State Blue. While I liked the colour, it had several problems: Nib creep, staining, leaking from nibs, bleeding through Leuchtturm1917 paper, and feathering on cheap paper to the point that anything written with it was illegible. Last night, I decided I'd had enough of this beautiful but very high-maintenance, ill-behaved diva and decide to purge it from my petrol blue Lamy Al-Star. This is how I did it: First, I attempted to purge the pen the normal way using the converter. This caused horrible staining everywhere the ink touched - sink, countertop, hands, etc. It was awful, it looked like I tried to dump paint down the sink. After a fair bit of cursing, I put a small amount of undiluted common household bleach on a paper towel and wiped the stains up from the surfaces. They came off immediately - yes, it is true, bleach will get rid of BSB stains on hard, nonporous surfaces like kitchen sinks and countertops. For any other ink, the pen would have been ready to re-ink now, but BSB was not giving up so easily. Undaunted, I then turned to the Goulet purging method using an ear bulb syringe (link below). That metod worked beautifully to get the ink out of the grip, feed, and nib. Any other ink would have been completely gone gone and the pen would have been ready to re-ink, but not BSB. Note that I had to decapitate a Lamy blue cartridge to use as an ear bulb adapter as Brian described in the video. When I saw the Lamy Blue ink issuing from the cartridge into the sink, I was expecting another horrible mess, but this ink simply washed down the sink with water as if it had never been there. "Hmm", I mused, "this is what well-behaved ink is supposed to do!" That cruel teacher? She is called "experience". She gives the test first and the lesson later. Now I was rock solid in my resolve to get rid of BSB, but everything the ink touched was still that electric purplish blue. Time to bring out the big guns. In a Pyrex glass kitchen measure, I mixed 1L of lukewarm tap water with 100mL of the bleach and mixed well. Then I completely disassembled the pen's grip section and dropped each component - grip, feed, nib, and converter - into the bleach solution and left it sitting overnight. The next morning, the BSB was gone as if it had never, ever touched my pen. Success! No apparent damage to the feed or grip section, but I found a nib-shaped bit of rusty-looking discolouration on the bottom of the glass where the nib had been sitting. There is no obvious damage to the nib, however, no flaking chrome or anything of the sort. The only other thing I noticed was that the converter is now a bit hard to turn and squeaks a lot. I figure the next inking will restore the converter's smoothness, but if not, Lamy converters are cheap unlike Pilot ones, which cost as much as the bloody pen! The pen is now inked up with a Lamy Blue cartridge pending my next Iroshizuku ink purchase (I'm thinking Kon-Peki, but I'll take suggestions here) as I am currently going through an out-of-cash experience. After sitting nib down for an hour or so, the nib is still quite dry so it's a bit hard starting, but once it starts, it doesn't feather, has a beautiful shading to it, and doesn't bleed through the pages of my Leuchtturm1917 Master. This is, of course, one of the many key advantages of converters - you can completely saturate the nib with the converter when you fill the pen. The shadowing is equivalent to the Iroshizuku Shin-Kai in my other Lamy, an Lx. The last thing? I threw the bottle of BSB down my trash chute. I smiled when I heard the satisfying sound of glass smashing when it hit the bottom. It's been real. Again, while I liked the colour, the ink was so poorly behaved that it just wasn't worth the effort. The Iroshizuku, OTOH, has never given me a lick of trouble. It looks very professional, but it's a tad boring and dries slowly. Any throughts/shrieks of horror would be appreciated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipwFvY0PUqs
  5. jhylkema

    Greetings From Seattle!

    Hello fellow FP geeks! I am a returnee to the fountain pen world. A couple of months ago, I picked up a Pilot Varsity and loved it. Then I ended up ordering three Lamys from Amazon - a Lx, an Al-Star, and a Vista. I also ordered a bottle of Shin-Kai ink and bought two different Noodler's inks (one of which being the infamous Bay State Blue) from a local shop that sold it. I got back into the FP world because I am studying for a tech cert and wanted to do handwritten notes. I am a believer in the science that handwritten notetaking vastly improves understanding and retention of the subject you are studying. I am also getting into bullet journalling - my BuJo is a Leuchtturm1917 Master. It's huge and I'm a bit disappointed with how much the BSB shows through the pages, but it's only enough to be mildly annoying. BSB really bleeds through my cert notebook, a Moleskine. Hindsight being 20/20, I would have stuck with the Iroshizuku ink and Rhodia or Leuchtturm1917 notebooks (more on the ink in another post.) My next pen(s) will likely be (a) Lamy Studio. Well, that's my short intro. Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.
  6. I am happily the newest owner of one of Amberlea's favorite inks, Noodler's Baystate Blue. I got it used on eBay and unfortunately there appears to be some sediment along the rim on on the dropper. I was not very successful at trying to capture an image of it but here is what I got anyway, I see three main possibilities: Natural separation of some components of the ink as this is a highly concentrated ink Chemical reaction to the introduction of some other ink. I have read this can happen with BSB and poor pen hygiene Something biological (bacteria/fungi) growing in the inkAnyone have an opinion on what is most likely with this ink and the appropriate measures to take?
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  8. Several years ago, before I found this wonderful website, I had purchased Noodler's Bay State Blue ink to go into ALL my pens (yes, I heard the Siren's call. I'm completely enamored with that brilliant blue). I had no idea that ANY ink could be bad for a fountain pen (save for India Ink). Unlike most pen users, I don't particularly like changing ink on a regular basis. My infatuation is primarily for the pens so, like Steve Jobs who only wore one kind of mock turtle-neck shirt and jeans, I wanted to use only one kind of ink. I was completely indiscriminate about it. I loaded everything: Sheaffer Balance II Aspen, Parker 51, Parker Vacumatic, Parker Duo-Fold, Pelikan M100, Pilot MYU 701 and various Esterbrooks. (I was absolutely mad with desire for this ink.) But, I started getting weird vibes almost immediately about the way it reacted in my different pens and within days I was flushing it out of almost everything I had. I could tell, almost within hours, that it was causing strange flow issues with some of my pens. I can't explain it. Almost like eating something foreign, while visiting a different country, and then quickly realizing that you were going to regret it in a few hours. Now, here I am several years later, and I'm reading all this important information about NOT mixing BSB with other inks. I'm sure I didn't clean my pens as thoroughly as being suggested here, before I loaded BSB. And my writing experience, with the various pens, did begin to suffer. Skipping and bad ink flow became common to the point where I actually set my precious pens aside to focus on other hobbies for years. I know I didn't have the BSB in my pens for very long (some pens maybe several months), but I want to give everything a complete cleaning today. What do you suggest I do in order to remove any former BSB ink from my nibs, sacks and converters? I don't really want to get into taking everything apart, unless I absolutely have to (I'm not familiar with the mechanics of these pens). From my previous drafting days I have a bottle of Koh-i-noor Rapido-eze pen cleaner, and a small bottle of Higgins pen cleaner. Should I just soak my nibs and sacks for several days, or will I need an ultrasound cleaner? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
  9. Has anyone tried using Noodler's BSB in their Pilot Metro? I filled mine a couple of days ago, and I swear the pen is now dragging. I've wiped off the tip of the nib with a lint-free paper towel and that helped somewhat, but now I'm wondering if this isn't a physical trait of BSB. Has anyone noticed whether their pens started to lose their smoothness when using BSB? This is my first Metro, so I'm not even sure how it's supposed to write, but I'm a big fan of Pilot so I didn't expect drag, especially since, in the first couple of days, I didn't have any issues with that. Do you use anything, like a hint of liquid soap or something, to help ink flow?
  10. Hoping not to break the forum rules, I recently purchased a sample of what some call the brightest blue ink available from the Tardiff stable of inks. Concerned over staining threats.... I have and really like my Kaweco Ice Sport. I have modified one of its cartridges so I can refill it with any ink I choose, via a needle syringe (works great). I was thinking I could try the BSB in that cartridge and if it becomes uncleanable, no real loss. However, am I creating an issue with the Kaweco's feed? Lookin to use the ink to see what all the commotion is! Thanks ...

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