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  1. - Master of the order-made notebooks (Kakimori) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMH5k0G_gVI Kakimori is a small stationery shop nestled in Tokyo's Kuramae neighbourhood which has been pleasing customers over the course of three generations. You might find yourself falling in love with the art of writing again after a visit to this specialist stationery shop. Kakimori's range of pens, inks and letter sets are chosen on the basis of how comfortable they are to use, and customers are welcome to try out the fountain pens before making a purchase. Best of all are the order-made notebooks, prepared in 5-10 minutes and with an infinitely customisable selection of covers, paper and bindings available - most of them locally produced, for added "Made in Asakusa" effect. Kakimori : website http://www.kakimori.com/index.html Just for your information, Kota
  2. http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5536/9970635215_2283e03917_n.jpg Docket Diamond Fine Writing Tablet (box) by ChrisL_AK, on Flickr [As always, comments and suggestions for improvement are WELCOMED! Also blogged on inkProne] Verdict Buy it! The Docket Diamond Premium Writing Tablet handled every pen and ink I threw at it with basically no feathering or show/bleed-through. I'm pretty sure there isn't a legal-pad style tablet out there that comes close to it. If you have a need for a pad for a clipboard or similar application, this is practically paper porn. But that's not doing this paper justice: it's competitive with the best paper out there. The feel is substantial and the laid finish is a real laid finish, not the faux laid you'll see on some cheaper papers...enough, in fact, that your xxx-fine and sharp-as-a-razor italics might dig in a bit. Think G. Lalo Verge de France style finish and then add a bit more texture. I own a lot of paper. And I mean a lot: at least 80 varieties (in hundreds of different packs, tablets, pads and notebooks) from vintage onionskin and typewriter paper to all of the top fountain-pen lovers' favorites, and I keep coming back to this paper... Features 24lb; laid finish; ivory; watermarked50 micro-perforated sheets; 10mm (legal) rule (one side only)8.5 x 11.7 in. ; 8.5 x 10.75 in. finished sizeRigid backboard with blue marble headtape Performance (Scale 0-5, 0=none 5=like a mofo) Feathering: 1Show-through: 0Bleed-through: 0 (obviously, unless you use invisible ink)Dry Time: 1 As you can see, it even survived my patented KiSS---knife, swab, scribble---test with no show-through or bleeding. Cost Comparison Ampad Gold Fibre Retro Legal Pads: $31.50/600 sheets = .05/sheetAmpad Gold Fibre Retro Pad: $7.50/70 sheets = .11/sheetClairefontaine Wirebound Pad: $12/80 sheets = .15/sheetClairefontaine Triomphe Pads: $9/50 sheets = .18/sheetKokuyo Campus Loose Leaf Shikkari: $9/50 sheets = .18/sheetRhodia Premium Notepad: $13/70 sheets = .19/sheetDocket Diamond Premium Writing Tablet: $19/100 sheets = .19/sheet The Docket Diamond tablets really are premium tablets and they cost accordingly, though not particularly expensive compared to their real peers. Keep in mind that none of the competing tablets listed here have the laid finish or are watermarked...and most don't have an ivory-color option. The closest paper I know of is Southworth Antique Laid Business paper, which is only .06 sheet, but it comes in loose sheets and isn't lined. Similarly, G. Lalo Verge de France is similar, but better, except it also isn't lined and weighs in at a hefty .32 per sheet! Other Reviews, Threads, etc. Brief Review of the planning pad version (same paper)Paul Theroux likes it!Diamine Merlot on Docket Diamond? Why yes!Scans http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5473/9970630415_d4cd550d03.jpg Docket Diamond Fine Writing Tablet (writing sample) by ChrisL_AK, on Flickr http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3799/9970699046_5212750fe5.jpg Docket Diamond Fine Writing Tablet (writing sample, reverse) by ChrisL_AK, on Flickr http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7388/9970758543_cb6535db38.jpg Docket Diamond Fine Writing Tablet (KiSS test)) by ChrisL_AK, on Flickr http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5546/9970624125_506bc4fc4e.jpg Docket Diamond Fine Writing Tablet (KiSS test, reverse) by ChrisL_AK, on Flickr
  3. I am nearing the end of a Paperblanks notebook that was a gift. The decorative cover is quite appealing, but for my next journal, I'm hoping to get something that is better on a few functional points. Love these kinds of covers: http://images.utrechtart.com/products/optionLarge/Paperblanks/Paperblanks-Ventaglio-Rosso-64024_lg.jpg http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/97/81/44/13/10/9781441310415_500X500.jpg http://www.lecadeauartistique.com/im/articles/carnet-paperblanks-safavide-ultra-details.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61s9N0-poCL._SY300_.jpg http://images.utrechtart.com/products/optionRegular/Paperblanks/karakusa_X.jpg The notebook I'm finishing up has a magnetic flap closure, which adds a lot of useless weight and bulk—a pain when traveling. The paper is decent, works with some inks and not others, shows no shading, but dries fast. The line spacing is also a bit wide. Some of the Peter Pauper notebooks have beautiful covers, but the lines are absurdly wide for my handwriting. 90% of my writing is with EF western nibs. On the paper, a little ghosting is fine, but bleed-through is not acceptable. If the paper is very thin, I'm good with writing on just one side, but it had better make up the difference with a good page count. Don't like add-ons in notebooks: maps, historical notes, holidays, pockets, weight and measure conversion tables. They just and weight and bulk. Ribbon bookmark are nice, but I'm not going to say "no" to a notebook that doesn't have one but is otherwise good. So, in sum: Ornate, decorative cover—but not cartoony or girlishLined, with a narrow ruling, preferably around 6mm5x7 to 7x9 inches or something in the A5, B6, A6 rangeLays flat or close to flatCream/off-white paperHardcoverNot more than 1 inch thick, preferably less than 3/4Not full of extrasAny suggestions for notebooks that fit these requirements?
  4. EDIT: AFTER SOME TESTING, THIS PAPER RESPONDS TO FOUNTAIN INK THE SAME AS WALMART COPY PAPER (GEORGIA PACIFIC) This is the same paper I saw the Baystate Blue tested on and thus means I may get this ink for the blue) STILL EDIT: Contrary to what I typed in this post, I care more about fading and bleed-through than water resistance (though that would be nice) Bleed-through being my major requirement. Hello- I'm wondering if anyone knows of any inks that are surefire to behave and not feather and bleed-through the cheap toner paper that are common in highschools. NOTE: i AM TRYING TO AVOID A CLUTTERED POST SO I APOLOGIZE IF THIS LOOKS A LITTLE RUDE...it's also 1:00 in the morning and I am brain dead...OH look! a fly! ~Fly away little buzzy~ I will fix this tomorrow and probably make it half length... I just pulled out a sheet from last year and noticed that it's like a sponge to my Noodler's Heart of Darkness (Which I regret getting and I believe also was contaminated by my well water...go figure...last time I dilute) I know that different colors may behave differently within a brand. So I am very well willing to look at more Noodler's inks. Info on specifics: Paper: W.B.Mason Toner paper Pen: Lamy F nib pen Pens I plan to get in the future -Kaweco Sport Classic; Noodler's nib creeper flex. >> I use about 1oz+ of ink per month...and It might get higher as I start school...(omg) (Noodler's 4.5oz is over a quarter gone) Brands I was looking into: Noodler's -I prefer the 3oz as it is cheaper in general but I may look into getting another 4.5 Lamy -Came with my pen and I like the blue :)c Pelikan (4001) Private Reserve -I've read bad things about this brand so I don't really look at this brand...I may take post regarding these with much less than a grain of salt. Waterman I chose these brands as they appear to be some of the lowest cost ones... Colors: Mainly Black, Blue, and red but I was looking as others as possibilities...except blue-black -------------------- I want to use these inks For school use AND for drawing as I don't really get why people use separate inks for both- I am simply looking for inks that generally don't fade much over long times and are still visible after getting wet(smearing is okay as long as the ink doesn't get totally obliterated...but this is not my priority as I won't be erasing this ink.) <- I don't need to erase the ink. Uh...It seems the Lamy and Pelikan blues are made to be eradicated...they don't seems to mind Alcohol based markers though...(sharpies and the like)...I guess the black doesn't do this as much? I was looking at Lamy because I have used it and I like it's flow and I was already familiar with the blue...I have yet to smear it so that's nice. ...I read ONCE that it fades yellow in about a year(the black) I read that Pelikan 4001 was about the same, but it is slightly more prone to feather? I guess that Waterman inks are just Waterman...A bit wetter...but I fear that it would feather more due to the higher degree of ink that would be laid down...There red looks good and I read that the ink had a glossy look? And then Noodler's... the HoD was like a water fall...but I read that the plain black is nice. I was looking at these inks: X-feather -For obvious reasons Black -apparently the normal black behaves well with cheaper papers? Blue (If only there was a n-feather like blue...jk) Bay State Blue ...I saw this stuff used on cheap walmart printer paper on a video...while not toner paper...it was nice. ________________________________ I am asking on what those who read this have to say...I'm in a little of a rut...I DON'T want to head about other brands as I want to try to stay cheap...I use a lot of ink it seems...I do sometimes color my drawings with sharpie markers to get in some vague stuff and it seems that the Lamy ink doesn't mind too much...It is something to consider I suppose... I'm not going to get every ink know to dolphins of course but I just need a few necessary colors. THANK YOU! (and I will thank you again afterwards too Cx ) Now if you excuse me... I'm going to go pass out for the night...morning...-face desk-
  5. Hi Everyone, Just wanted to say that for those of you looking for quality copy/looseleaf paper the Double A paper sold in Amazon is incredibly smooth and reasonably priced (35$ per case). As a student I needed a cheap solution for looseleaf so I printed the college ruled template (found on Incompetech website) on it and you can even print and write on both sides (very little shadow)
  6. FPNers, I have quite a bit of HP 32lb Premium Choice paper that I'd like to offer to the FPN community, mailing samples to those who are interested in trying the paper out. Just send me a PM with your address. I think I can fit three sheets in an envelope. There is one caveat, I am affiliated with International Paper, the manufacturer. I work at the facility where we manufacture it in upstate NY. -Andres
  7. Epistler

    Tomoe River Blank Books

    I'm offering blank books with Tomoe River paper at PaperForFountainPens.com This paper has inspired me to write more than I ever did before, and I've had to create the product line that I wanted for my own use. Now I'm sharing the results with you. Happy writing! —Jay
  8. Hi all! I'm looking for a black ink with a fast drying time for use on regular inkjet/office paper. My previous focus on inks has primarily been towards permanency and flow but now I need to find something that will dry fast and not feather on cheaper paper. Anyone got any good ideas, preferably for something I can source quickly in the UK. With these qualities in mind I hear good things on this site about J.Herbin Perle Noire, Waterman Black but if there are any others please let me know. Thanks, Badger
  9. rhodialover

    Just My Luck....

    So today I went to my local Staples and saw something that was simply wonderful. I found on sale for $3 even, Brazilian filler paper! I bought half of the rack that was left. They were $3 for 400 sheets and I ended up buying 7 packages, totaling 2,800 pages! The stack is 8 inches tall and weighs in the neighborhood of 27-34 lbs! I had to have them double bagged. Run and see if yours has them. Mine has no feathering at all.
  10. I usually write my notes, letters etc. on blank A4 office paper... Right now I have a pack of them from an unnamed company and it is terrible for fountain pens, the nibs drag along it and the line feathers (or, more precisely, becomes bolder than on better papers), while I am using well-behaved inks (Diamine, Quink Blue, Sailor Epinard). I would like to buy a new pack, and here comes the question – is there anyone from Europe who would have experience with such papers being friendly to fountain pens, could you give me some suggestions? I think the paper brands shouldn't be too different from state to state. Thanks in advance!
  11. bhaarmann

    Hello From Wisconsin

    Hello FPN Members! I am from the Milwaukee metro area and am new to FPN. I used fountain pens almost exclusively in the 1980's and 1990's, but eventually gave it up for better quality rollerball pens. The poor paper quality used in offices, including the recycled papers, did not seem to work well with my fountain pens, but the rollerballs did work. They laid down a "wet" ink flow, so they were a fallback. In any event, my son is now in graduate school and has begun to use fountain pens. This prompted me a buy a new fountain pen or two and start experimenting with higher quality paper and inks. Clairfontaine seems to work the best for journaling, but I have been using a Staples eco-brand of regular lined paper in the office, that is made with sugar cane and it does seem to be fountain pen friendly. I cane across the FPN through google searches relating to ink reviews and decided to join you, so here I am... Best Regards, Bruce
  12. Does anyone own or has anyone owned these hole punchers. I just bought the Staples Arc punch. I have heard that the Levenger Circa punch punches a bigger hole, so it is easier to turn the pages when installed. Is it true that it punches a bigger hole than the Staples brand Arc puncher, or is the hole the same size? Price is not an issue. I will get whichever one functions better. Will the Levenger last a long time, or is it just an expensive piece of junk? With the Levenger Circa Leverage punch, I estimate I can fit about 10 pages to punch at once (I will use 32 lb bond / 120 gsm). With the Staples Arc punch, I can only fit about 7 pages to punch at once, and most of the pages have come out slanted. I may have gotten a defective one. The slanted-ness may have been affecting the ease of page-turning and making it tougher, maybe even more so than the small holes. Should I be exchanging or returning?
  13. Hello FPN, I'm posting on here because I really have no idea where to start - some of you are SO knowledgeable I'm hoping you can help! Perhaps this post can also be a reference for other people like me who are just getting started. The Background: I'm currently completing an internship / studying abroad in the United Kingdom, and will most likely be in Germany next summer for another internship. Being here has provided me with access to materials related to FPs that I have never experienced before. With that being said I'm originally from the North-eastern part of the United States, which is where I'm attending University studying Financial Economics with the intention to study medicine for my post-graduate studies. I received my first FP as a gift from my German friends when I was no older than 12 - at that time my FP hardly received any use at all. I always knew that I had it, but never used it because I was afraid kids at school would steal it, and I would be ridiculed for being different (both of those being highly likely). Coupled with my inability to easily procure ink cartridges in the U.S. and my complete lack of knowledge about converters, I also didn't want to "waste" my meagre ink cartridge supply. Regarding penmanship, I think I'm the only one of my friends that learned to write in cursive before learning to print! The first school I attended didn't teach "print" until the fifth grade. Naturally, as that was the first way I learned to write, and I find it quicker, I have always tended to write in cursive. My cursive however is dreadful, and it's something I've wanted to improve. Fast forward a few years to my recent past: After spending time in Germany last summer, the introduction to converters and, resulting from long hours during the school year, the means to procure what I wish - I'm now on a mission to expand my palate and understanding of the FP world. What I have: Pens - currently all of the pens I have are LAMY, because frankly I think (in my obviously biased opinion) that they are decent pens and if they happened to get lost I would not be worse for the wear. I have a LAMY: Studio, Al-star F, Al-Star 1,5, Safari B, My least favorite pen is the studio, for some reason I've never really liked it besides the day I bought it, and my favorite pen which I use constantly is the Blue Al-Star with an F nib Penmanship - a 5 book set off of Amazon that is supposed to teach me Spenserian. Paper Goods: only moleskin and basic writing paper. Ink - LAMY Black well ink, Noodler's Bulletproof ink What I'm looking for: Someone to point me in the right direction (hence the title). I would really like to improve my handwriting, and learn new fonts. I've read enough posts to understand that this is not a timeless task, and is probably something I will spend the rest of my life learning - which I'm fine with. To me it is something that is invaluable, especially in this digital world. With that being said, where does one start? Is it better to try and attend a class (are there even such things??) to learn the basics? Are there exercises people do? I'm also looking for someone to point me in the right direction for pens - I love my LAMY Al-star, but I think I'm ready to branch away from LAMY (or get a new one...) and begin understanding more about fountain pens. Clearly there are many old pens, new pens, weird, old pen makers and everyone on this network seems to have a ridiculously passionate opinion about everything they prefer about their pens. Nibs. Flexible nibs? Are certain nibs for certain papers? inks? pens? Are there nib guidelines? Do certain fonts require certain nibs? Are there nib-makers in this world? I'm not even sure what to ask for here because the extent of my knowledge about nibs is that they write differently and I like my LAMY F better than my LAMY B - and my LAMY 1,5 writes "cool". Inks - clearly my parents failed to educate me because until I started reading posts on here I thought there were ballpoint inks, gel pen inks, and the ink I had in my cartridges. Whoops. Does ink matter? Are there preferred inks for different things? How does one know what ink they like? I've noticed that all papers are not created equally. I will also admit that I was somewhat shocked when I learned that Moleskin had a horrible reputation amongst FP users. I now understand why (many of the reasons people seem to dislike their product are reasons I too have encountered - and ignorantly dismissed) people have definite opinions, but I frankly had no exposure to various types of paper where I lived in the States. What paper does one use for different things? Is there a standard weight that below which I should not ever buy? What about daily diaries, in both the European and American sense of the word? I've read things about Clairefontane (spelling?), are they the gold standard? So, if people would be willing to comment and tell me/show me where to find what I'm after I would be much obliged. I know that I have much to learn but I haven't found a thread yet that seems to address my questions and I'm tired of looking around and only getting a titbit here and a tad there. One last thing - I love getting letters, and that is where most of my time writing is spent. I often joke with my friends and family that I'm unloved if I check my mailbox and I don't have letters or that I am loved by so-and-so if they have sent me a letter. I'm not sure if that will help people answer my questions in a way that is more directed to me, but it might provide a little insight into my young mind.
  14. mikhasan

    Pelikan Paper?

    Hi, everyone. Recently, I went to a fountain pen shop. I was trying out some pens on the shop's memo pad, which I noticed had a Pelikan logo on the bottom. The paper was extremely smooth, and I tried searching for it online, but to no avail. It was a rectangular shape, again, with "Pelikan" written on the bottom. The color of the paper was very white. Does anyone know if/where they sell this stuff? Thanks!
  15. Hi Everyone! I began bookbinding not very long ago, because I want my journals to look the same from year to year, something you can't always do when relying on commercial products... plus, I can get a better quality item for far less $$, and instead of "close enough", I get exactly what I want. I've been looking for Clairefontaine loose paper (like you'd buy a package of printer paper; big block of loose sheets), but all I've been able to find are finished products like notebooks, journals, pads, etc. Is anyone aware of a source of loose, bulk Clairefontaine paper? Or, failing that, of an available 'loose' paper that's closely comparable to Clairfontaine? Thanks... I usually have little trouble sniffing out what I'm looking for, but this time no such luck. Karl
  16. Hi Everyone! I began bookbinding not very long ago, because I want my journals to look the same from year to year, something you can't always do when relying on commercial products... plus, I can get a better quality item for far less $$, and instead of "close enough", I get exactly what I want. I've been looking for Clairefontaine loose paper (like you'd buy a package of printer paper; big block of loose sheets), but all I've been able to find are finished products like notebooks, journals, pads, etc. Is anyone aware of a source of loose, bulk Clairefontaine paper? Or, failing that, of an available 'loose' paper that's closely comparable to Clairfontaine? Thanks... I usually have little trouble sniffing out what I'm looking for, but this time no such luck. Karl
  17. So after searching around and trying some things out I found it is SUPER easy to do this. This video I show you just how easy it is to make a notebook. Using my favorite Tomoe River paper. It is a semi-delicate paper so the stitching needs to be a bit closer together to add stability to the notebook as well and help secure the paper so it wont tear out.
  18. Hi guys, I'm looking for paper that is lined and could be classified as "school use". My only complain with my current composition books is that they bleed and feather the heck out of me. It didn't originally bother me, but eventually it got so bad that I went back to ballpoints for a while. Another major concern is that I'm not a fancy person, I go through paper very quickly so I don't want to get the expensive paper like Rhodia or some other fancy brand. So any suggestions?
  19. http://www.ebay.com/itm/281089063455?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 I read some good reviews of Muji notebooks being fountain pen friendly so I ordered a couple different Muji notebooks. The spiral bound Muji notebooks will be coming in soon. Details: selling price is about $7, $3 shipping (you can haggle for a slightly cheaper price)about 5.8" by 4.1"144 sheets, not pages, of cream colored paperPro's: very smooth creamy colored paperbeautiful minimalist appearanceresists bleedthroughcould probably withstand very wet and broad nibs, but the feathering might make writing with wide nibs unbearableCons: Some inks will feather on this paper, the feathering I noticed was bearable but slightly noticeable.Showthrough occurs, but isn't noticable if you write on both sides of the page. Recommended? It's not a terrible notebook. I'm looking forward to finding a use for it (I misjudged the size of the book upon ordering, I was looking for a slightly larger book for class notes. ). It's competitively priced against Black n Red, Rhodia, and Clairefontaine notebooks which have amazing reviews and quality control (I haven't tried those brands yet). To be honest I'd recommend notebooks from the previously mentioned brands, the pictures of ink performance on those papers show much better fp friendliness than this paper. http://24.media.tumblr.com/bd576b69df00613736e2390777c6bc5a/tumblr_mnmta3AbRP1r4c920o1_500.jpg http://25.media.tumblr.com/22ef75b0155f601c3aa1205bdbc8077f/tumblr_mnmta3AbRP1r4c920o2_1280.jpg http://25.media.tumblr.com/de3c75e9c6da34d111df0e00966071a9/tumblr_mnmta3AbRP1r4c920o3_1280.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/7aa118a191952dafec0854dd439aa712/tumblr_mnmta3AbRP1r4c920o4_1280.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/033164c46627b340742d7dd7bf68307b/tumblr_mnmta3AbRP1r4c920o5_1280.jpg
  20. One of the great disappointments is finding a properly bound notebook as well as loose blank paper to suit my needs, with the following specifications: Notebook Properly bound and NOT spiral spineA4 size (8.3in × 11.7in.)Completely resistant to wet flex nibsNo showthrough, bleeding or feathering (I use flex pens!)Maximum sheets, ideally 192 sheets, or I will settle for the largest available size realisticallyAvailable and widely available, especially in Australia - but willing to buy from abroad if costs are reasonableCost-effective, but will compromise a little if worth itPaper A4 size (8.3in × 11.7in.)Competitively priced against regular printing paperCan serve well as printing paper as well as writing paperAvailable and widely available, especially in Australia In these regards I have been disappointed time and time again. Currently, a clothbound Clairefontaine is the best solution I have and an obscure paper called Nature which has gone off the market in Australia. That is where I am from; I am willing to buy stuff over the internet from overseas but within reason you know what I mean (i.e., not at a ridiculous disproportionate expense to ship)? I have been contemplating Apica but have read disappointing reviews in the regards above. See https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/106072-apica-notebooks-review/?p=2226925. jetpens.com has a variety of Japanese notebook brands with which I am unfamiliar and many are not available in A4 (8.3in × 11.7in.) size. Please advise.
  21. I've been playing with different papers, and I really love what Staples uses in their ARC notebooks. My problem is that it only comes lined, and I much prefer to write on unlined paper. Does anyone know what paper they use and if it's possible to buy it blank, somewhere? I have tried printer paper and the 32 weight paper I tried is very nice but it's a little too white and too slick for me. The ARC paper is a little creamy and a little less slick so the ink bleeds in a little more: not enough to feather or bleed through though. Any ideas? Terrie
  22. Does anyone know of lined paper that is pretty good for fountain pens, but not as expensive as Clairfontaine or Rhodia? Pretty much all of the loose-leaf paper I have found is as bad as a napkin for fountain pens feathering. I don't even use B nibs very often. I use a lot of paper, so cheaper is better. It's just for writing notes and assignments for university, so it doesn't need to look fancy or anything like that. Thanks very much for any ideas.
  23. I was looking for some paper that was a little more budget friendly than the oft recommended HP Premium 32 lb paper, also something a little lighter weight. I am planning on binding up some books and the 32 lb makes a fat book with too few pages for my current needs. I found the HP LaserJet 24lb paper at my local Staples for $12/ 500 sheets. I tested it out with a variety of my pens, from an EF to M to Noodler's Flex. No feathering, no bleed through, only some show through when I used the Noodler's flex but even that wasn't bad. The writing experience was smooth. Just enough drag to be nice and not feel like the pen was slippery. To me it was the perfect amount of drag. Not as smooth as a Rhodia but way smoother than cheap copy paper. Very pleasant. At 24lb it feels slightly heavier than regular copy paper. It's much lighter weight than the 32lb paper, which feels like cardstock to me. At roughly 2 cents a sheet it's a good deal in my book. I'll post some pictures of the package and a writing sample when I get home. I found the paper on Walmart's website for $8 or $9 plus 97 cent shipping in the US. Wish I'd looked before I went to staples, could have had it delivered to my home for $2 less a package.





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