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Usus Vintage Mechanical Pencil...
ibisibis posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
Bought this German USUS mechanical 4 colour pencil. Its a twist action pencil and is in pretty good working condition. The balance of the pencil is nice and the build is sturdy. Apart from these very general reflections the internet is not throwing up sufficient information about USUS. Desperately want to know its lead diameter (1.1 mm?) and where can I buy colour leads? Also how to clean broken leads from the holders which are quite narrow. Thanks in advance...
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Just found a stash of old leads hidden in a drawer, among them there are a couple of late '80s or early '90's Sheaffer 0.9mm leads that have "F15" as the only identification. They come is blue plastic containers with a yellow cap. I would like to know if anyone here has any clue as to the grade they could be? They are pretty firm and write somewhere between a 2H or 4H grade (depending on which brand you compare them to). Thanks in advance! -
Extra Leads Stuck In Yard-O-Led Tubes
jcm499 posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
I recently acquired a Yard-O-Led Perfecta Victorian pencil, presumably new old stock from the Filofax days when Yard-O-Led products were more widely distributed in the United States. It came with the 12 extra leads already in their holding tubes. Some of the extra leads slide out easily, but others are firmly stuck in their tubes. Does anyone know a way to dislodge them without surgery? Vigorous shaking hasn’t worked. It isn’t really such a big deal, but why not "go the whole one yard" if possible? -
Pilot Mogulair Vs. Zebra Delguard & U.s. Availability
Drone posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
Howdy All, I just noticed Pilot came out with their "Mogulair" mechanical pencil (who picked that name?) It seems the Mogulair dropped (in the U.S. anyway) early in 2017. This thing is obviously trying to one-up the Zebra DelGuard pencil. Both the Mogulair and Delguard pencils have similar spring-cushioned tip mechanisms to reduce lead breakage, but the Mogulair adds a weighted Shaker (or Knock) mechanism to advance the lead. The shaker seems to be the only big difference. The added shaker in the Mogulair can be a plus or a minus depending on how you feel about it (I don't care for them). Now we need someone to marry the spring cushioned tips on the Mogulair and/or DelGuard pencils with the self-sharpening, self-ejecting mechanism in the Uni Kuru-Toga * U.S. availability at my post time on 20 May 2017: In the U.S. I see Tokyo Pen Shop in Iowa is carrying the Mogulair for $8.30, which seems kind of pricey for what I'm seeing so-far (plasticky school pencil-ish). I have a black/chrome Zebra DelGuard standard, the build is mostly plastic but it looks and feels better than that. Tokyo Pen Shop sells the DelGuard standard for $7.00, $1.30 cheaper than the Mogulair, but still pretty high. (Note, there are higher-quality versions of the DelGuard such as the LX and the clipless ER.) At Tokyo Pen Shop basic U.S. shipping is free with orders over $25. Jetpens in California is not carrying the Pilot Mogulair yet. Jetpens sells the Zebra DelGuard standard for $7.50 (as usual, Jetpens is the highest in price). At Jetpens basic U.S. shipping is free with orders over $25. JStationary in Massachusetts is not carrying the Mogulair yet. JStationary sells the DelGuard standard for $5.95. At JStationary basic U.S. shipping is free with orders over $20. Amazon returned nothing on a search for Mogulair. Amazon shows low prices for the DelGuard standard at between $4.50 and $5.50 plus shipping/eligible for free shipping. But to me it seems like $5.50 is the safe low-price for the DelGuard standard on Amazon. I'm tired of fighting with ebay. [Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with any of the companies mentioned in this post.] * Links: - Pilot Japan has a whole Web site up (in Japanese) dedicated to the Mogulair. The pictures are nice, and there are some animations: http://mogulair.jp/ - Pilot Mogulair for sale at Tokyo Pen Shop: https://www.tokyopenshop.com/pilot-mogulair-p-1435.html - Tokyo Pen Shop's YouTube intro to the Pilot Mogulair (English): - An annoying Japanese kid demonstrates how the Mogulair's spring mechanism works on YouTube. (At-least I think he's demonstrating how it works, I don't speak Japanese.) Jump to 12:30 to see the relevant portion. I suggest you turn the sound off (even if you speak Japanese). Have Fun, David -
I've been circling back to mechanical pencils and really enjoying them. I seem to be more "doodle inspired" with one than anything else. Ballpoints are permanent, fountain pen ink is limited, and lead is just so easily to reload. I know very little about pencil leads... only that there's different compositions of lead/graphite and range from butter soft to rock hard, from pin point thinness to massive thickness of a cotton swab. So what are some of the best value brands out there to buy? And what is a good hardness level that resists breakage but still gives enough softness for artistic flair?
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Help Identifying A Small Metal Pilot Pencil
stuck-in-time posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
Hi, I got this pencil some time ago, and until now still haven't been able to identify it... At first I thought this was a Pilot Birdie, but I can't find another Birdie that looks like this online, and it does have several major differences from the typical Birdie. The most obvious being the size and grip rings. I don't actually have a Birdie, but from the pics I've seen, this seems to be thicker and longer too, but still smaller than the usual pencil, as seen compared to a TK-Matic. It has an all metal construction, including the lead reservoir. I don't know about the chucks though, because the front end cap seems to be non-removable, is this the case with Birdies too? The lead sleeve is very short and is fixed. These machined grip rings are something I've never seen on Birdie, and so is the clip, which is very solid and seems to be made out of 3 separate pieces, and of a more heavily brushed stainless steel. They are supposed to be new, but somehow I think they seem to look kinda old? Any info would be much appreciated , since the seller said that he has lost the packaging. Though he did say they come in one of those multi packs, so no separate box for each pencil. There are no markings whatsoever on the pencil other than "Pilot 0.5 Japan" -
Mystery Mechanical Pencil, And Pen Too
stuck-in-time posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
Hi, I recently found this up for sale in a local online marketplace, and I can't help wondering the make of the mechanical pencil. I'm quite interested in it, but it'd be much better when I actually know what I'm buying. http://s9.postimg.org/fl56so3hb/258580410_1_644x461_1set_stainless_boxy_parker_j.jpg Sorry for the picture quality, but this seller really does provide only the most vague of description and pics. I've dealt with him before and he was good, and I'm quite sure they're brand-name stationery. The vague description only mentioned that it might be Japanese? It also said Boxy, but from what I know Boxy is just a product line of Mitsubishi Pencil and does not include pencils or pens like these. The button of the pencil looks somewhat like the GraphGear 1000's and it seems to have a rubber grip? While at it, an ID of the ballpoint would be nice too. Thanks -
About 7 years ago I became aware of the PILOT vanishing point mechanical pencil. By then it had already been discontinued and was sought after, prices going up rather high compared to the original prices (around $20). The only model numbers I'd heard of were H-1003 and H-1005. The last digit meant 0.3 mm or 0.5 mm. But in time I began to learn that there were more models made. Apparently a good many of them never left the JDM (Japan Domestic Market). H-10xx H-1003 - All black plastic body, with chromed metal parts, lead size 0.3mm H-1005 - Same as H-1003, with lead size 0.5m H-20xx H-2003 - Partial black plastic body, all metal section, brushed metal parts and metal grip with small black accents, lead size 0.3mm H-2005 - Same as H-2003, metal grip with black rectangular accents, lead size 0.5m H-21xx H-2103 - Partial black plastic body, with brushed metal parts and knurled black metal grip, lead size 0.3mm H-2105 - Same as H-2103, lead size 0.5m H-30xx H-3003 - Partial black plastic body, all metal section, brushed metal accents and metal grip with paired rectangular accents, lead size 0.3mm H-3005 - Same as H-3003, lead size 0.5m H-50xx H-5005 - Very rare retractable tip titanium body with etched lines. Very few were made and it's nearly impossible to obtain today without spending thousands! PLEASE NOTE: There was never any 0.7mm lead size offering for any of these models While the H-10xx series is a competent writing instrument, the H-20xx, H-21xx, and H-30xx series were a notable step up. Professional grade quality. Reputedly very solid lead holder core, despite the retracting mechanism. The H-21xx series is all black, with a more industrial looking design, reminiscent of the Rotring 600. There were also a few other models made with all stainless steel brushed or satin finish bodies, but no apparent model numbers (imprinted on the body or noted in a sticker). The only way I discovered anything about them was on Japanese websites, but even still, all they had were photos -- nothing else. Based on what little I've discovered, there weren't many of them made and unfortunately even within the Japanese marketplaces they're very much sought after. I've seen some FPN members post about owning the H-1003 or H-1005. Anybody here own other models? Btw, there is a recently manufactured Pilot Automac with retractable tip. It looks to be really well made, reminiscent of the earlier "vanishing point" models. Retail is about $50, which is considerably more reasonable than these vintage Pilot MP's. Clicky Post wrote a great review about it (HERE). -
Please Help A Newbie Date Or Information About My Cross Pencil
smellrod83 posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
Ladies and gentlemen I am a newbie when it comes to this, so please anything helps. What I know: I believe it is a century series It is a mechanical pencil It had above the clip, "1/20 gold filled" and "made in USA" words It has a little plastic piece attached to clip that says "18 karat gold filled" The cross logo is in italic letters on the clip The owners book had a few references to a SelecTip Any help in regards to date, or any other information would be greatly appreciated
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I have a Cross 18 karat gold filled pencil, photos attached. I do know that Cross is in cursive on the clip. It says made in USA at top of pencil, and it also has 1/20 gold filled engraved across the top as well. Could anyone please help me identify the model, year, and anything else. Your knowledge is greatly appreciated guys and gals.
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On The Cap: Rolled Gold Made In England On The Barrel Above Clip Band: Whetham London Is Whetham The name of the company that made the pencil? In the cartouche is COLFIX I believe that is an advertiser Any help with identification appreciated
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Old 1920's 6 3/4" Kaweco Nose Drive Mechanical Pencil
halfhyde posted a topic in Other Brands - Europe
I have a very old Kaweco nose drive pencil. I believe if is from the 1920's. It is very large, measuring 6 3/4 inches in length and the barrel is three sided.On one side is a faded imprint that reads: KAWECO. The barrel is red and cap and nose are white. I bought it from a seller a few years ago who won a storage locker auction in Lancaster, California.There were scores and scores of old German pencils up for grabs, I bought a lot of them. Does anyone have any information on this gem Thank you, Michael Little Phoenix, Arizona
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Front Weight Biased Mechanical Pencil?
ConcordeSST posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
Hello everyone, I am an engineer that uses mechanical pencils both for general writing and drafting. I had three MPs: TWSBI Precision (0.5mm fixed sleeve), Staedtler 925-25-05 and Alvin DM05. Unfortunately both the 925 and DM05 are out of service (lost one, broke one). So there comes the time that I will purchase another mechanical pencil. I like my TWSBI's hefty weight, sturdy build and full metal construction, but with a balance point at ~73mm from the tip, it feels tail-heavy. The Alvin got the balance right for me (~62mm from the tip), but I can pick up a tad roughness in the grip area. It also not quite as solid or heavy as the TWSBI. The diameter of the grip of Staedtler is the largest among the three, which I found the most comfortable, but everything else is kind of in the middle. Just wonder if there is a mechanical pencil that combine the pros of all three? I don't really mind what type of tip the pencil comes, be it retractable sleeve, fixed sleeve or vanishing point, because I put them in a bag. But I personally like a solid feeling without any "play" so fixed might be a plus. What is on my shopping list: 1. Rotring 600: very good reputation, but how it compared to TWSBI? I also heard there are several different versions with some better than others. 2. Uni Kuru Toga Roulette: some people complain about the slight "give", others don't. Not sure what I will feel. But as an engineer I really appreciate those innovations and thoughts behind simple objects. Might give a try. 3. Rotring Rapid Pro and Lamy Scribble: at almost 40 USD, they are just too pricey for me. But I will leave the options open nonetheless. 4. (anything else should be there?) Any thoughts are welcomed and greatly appreciated. Sebastian Edit: Preferred mechanism: push top ratchet, metal for durability Preferred lead size: 0.5 or 0.7 mm. (But never tried 0.3 mm before...) -
Can somebody ID this rOtring mechanical pencil? Found it when I was going through some old stuff. Don't remember where or when I got it. Markings are : "rOtring", "Germany" and "0.7". When you click it lightly, the pencil lead advances. When you click it harder, the lead sleeve retracts/extends. Does anybody know how it was(is) called? And from when to when it was made? Can't seem to find it on the timelinethingy on the rOtring website. http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/Blastmaster1972/Tijdelijk/IMG_1200-rotr-ed_zpsbqmf3lvn.jpg http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/Blastmaster1972/Tijdelijk/IMG_1201-rotr-ed_zpsb3ct5itz.jpg http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/Blastmaster1972/Tijdelijk/IMG_1204-rotr-ed_zpshidc5aho.jpg The lead sleeve retracts: http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/Blastmaster1972/Tijdelijk/IMG_1206-rotr-ed_zpswk5ezuvq.jpg http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/Blastmaster1972/Tijdelijk/IMG_1208-rotr-ed_zpsqv4vksa7.jpg Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Jos
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Caran D'ache Hexagonal 1.18 Mm Pencil: Lead Slipping
elysee posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
Greetings! The lead for one of my 1.18 mm lead Caran D'Ache Hexagonal series pencils slides into the pencil while I am writing. I have tried different types of 1.18 mm lead (HB, B, 2B, electrographic (my favorite as it is dark and similar to 2B lead in its softness)) but each slides into the pencil as I write. If I did not own several other 1.18 mm Caran D'Ache pencils (two of the Hexagonal series, two of the Ecridor series), three (3) 1.18 mm Pelikan pencils, five (5) 1.18 mm Montblanc pencils, and an assortment of other 1.18 mm pencils including Wasp pencils and Scripto pencils then I might believe that it is a problem with pencils taking 1.18 mm leads. However, that is not the case: the leads for NONE of my other 1.18 mm pencils slide back into the pencils. So, only this one 1.18 mm lead Caran D'Ache Hexagonal series pencil has this problem. This pencil has the same type lead-advance system as current Caran D'Ache Hexagonal series pencils -- push button. So, that stated (for clarity), does anyone have a solution for this problem? I like the pencil a lot due to its lead size and its lovely inlaid lacquer but having the lead slide back into the pencil is irritating. Since I have not had this problem with any other pencils (and I own a lot of pencils taking various lead sizes -- 1.18 mm lead pencils mentioned above, 0.9 mm lead pencils, 0.7 mm lead pencils, and 0.5 mm lead pencils) and since I have tried using leads of various hardness, makes, and ages, I believe that there may be a problem with the pencil mechanism. Again, I use the same types of 1.18 mm leads in my other 1.18 mm lead pencils, and none of these pencils have such a problem -- the lead does not slide back into the pencil and stays as placed for solid writing for all of my other 1.18 mm lead pencils. I have tried to clean off the "teeth" that hold the lead at the end of the pencil but that has not helped. I do not want to damage the pencil mechanism by attempting to dismantle it without some guidance/information. Has anyone had such a problem with a 1.18 mm lead pencil? Have you been able to correct the problem? How did you correct the problem? Thank you for your consideration. Happy New Year! : ) -
Help Me Find My First Love-- She Started Everything
akugluk posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
Back when I was in elementary school and writing utensils were scratchy, skippy, clotty, and lived in communal cups in everybody's kitchen or classroom, I bought a handful of pens and pencils at a garage sale for 50 cents of my own money. I don't remember what interested me about them, and most eventually made their way to the household receptacle. But there was one pencil. My first love. It took a while for her to capture my attention, but once she did we were inseparable. We did every assignment together. I carried her with me everywhere. She was the first pencil that was more than just a means to an end. She was an utter joy to write with, and I'm sure inspired me to do just that little bit extra on every assignment. It was a tragic day when I lost her. She fell out of my notebook while getting out of a car one day, and despite much searching once I realized it, was never to be seen again. I spent years trying to replace her. Every time I went in to a stationery store I'd try out every pencil, and while a few were adequate replacements, none were ever quite the same. I've never (that I know of) seen the same pencil for sale or in use. But now there is the internet! And crowds of people who understand my quest. If anybody can point me in any helpful direction I would be very grateful. I've searched the search engines and online shops, but with my sketchy memory this has proven futile. She was a smallish, shortish burgandy mechanical pencil with a metal clip and tip. I wish I remembered more about what she looked like because this might be a much easier search if I did. The rough look was similar to the Pentel p200 series. Plastic barrel, textured grip, small eraser that would have been under a cap (the cap was long gone). There were words stamped, but I don't remember whether they were on the clip or barrel or both. Unfortunately I don't remember what they were either. The biggest feature, and the one that utterly captured me was the cushioned lead. I'd never imagined such a thing and for years I thought it might have been a unique happy defect because no other pencil seemed to have it. It made for such a beautiful, smooth writing experience to have that little bit of spring. It has always seemed to me that it was a softer, more responsive spring than any of the other cushioned lead pencils I've found to date (though that might just be my nostalgia and wishful thinking). I bought her in the mid 90s. Thank you all for reading this, and thank you for any leads you can offer (no pun intended...) Akugluk -
How Good Is This Mechanical Pencil? "koh-I-Noor Rapidograph"
patridam posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
Hello, to be wholly honest I know literally nothing about fountain pens (and given my handwriting and tendency to write in all capitals, that might be for the best), but I am relatively interested in mechanical pencils and this was the first writing implement forum I came across. I am currently a mechanical engineering student, and even though most of what we do is on a computer, I prefer to take my notes and do what few paper drawings I do with a mechanical pencil rather than a Ticonderoga, possibly from laziness and not wanted to get up and sharpen it, but also because I do find the whole experience more satisfactory and more clean/precise. Since high school I have used purchased-new Pentel P207 (for drawing) and Pentel P209 (for writing, I perhaps press too hard and 0.9 lead rarely breaks on me), which as far as I know are made in Japan and fairly well respected. I was mostly satisfied with them, especially finding them preferable to the five-for-a-dollar plastic papermate pencils a student usually ends up with. But the pocket clip easily dislodges and the chrome (nickel?) plating on the cap wears down to the brass as I grip rather low. Today, while thift shopping, I found a rather old set of "KOH-I-NOOR RAPIDOMATIC RAPIDOGRAPH Drawing Pencils" in 0.5 mm lead. While there were only eight left in what was a pack of a dozen, they were in unused condition and, judging by the packaging, made in Japan in the mid-1980s. They look far more substantial than the Pentels I have, and even though they're in a smaller size than I normally use the dispensation is precise enough that I can let out a very short tip that won't easily break. In any case, the box was $4.99 so not precisely a big risk. I was wondering if anyone here knows more about these pencils, or has had experience with them? Should I keep them all, or try for resale? -
While they last we have a few closeout Pelikan pens and mechanical pencils on special at 60% Off retail: Pelikan Celebry D570 Mechanical PencilsRetail: $140.00Sale: $56.00 Pelikan Celebry D565 Mechanical PencilsRetail: $145.00Sale: $58.00 Pelikan Celebry R580 Rollerball PensRetail: $200.00Sale: $80.00 Pelikan Celebry D580 Mechanical PencilsRetail: $205.00Sale: $82.00 Pelikan Epoch Nut Wood D364 Mechanical PencilsRetail: $340.00Sale: $136.00 Pelikan Souveran K625 Ballpoint PensRetail: $700.00Sale: $280.00 Pelikan Souveran D625 Mechanical PencilsRetail: $700.00Sale: $280.00
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In the new red gold series of Montblanc, the LeGrand mechanical pencil misses. There is only the tiny Classique MP and that doesn't match the red gold 149. Should one look for a replating service on a gold LeGrand MP or are there other solutions possible?
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Hello guys! Maybe it was already discussed, but I was not able to find it... Which mine size is used for Pelikan 350 mechanical pencil? Is it 1.18mm? Does anyone produce them these days? Will some more common size fit the pencil? Thanks, Mislav
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Is This A Rotring Pencil Clone?
bokchoy posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
I found this pencil a while ago. Having never seen a Rotring till now, I thought the design was very distinctive. What do you think? Does it look like a clone? http://i.imgur.com/pU7aFk5.jpg The sticker says M&G AMP37201. The body is about 14cm long (the above grid is in 1/2 inches), completely metal, very solid and has good heft. http://i.imgur.com/z1ch03K.jpg Nice knurled grip: http://i.imgur.com/9fJrKsi.jpg Lead size "indicator" (doesn't do anything) and removable clip: http://i.imgur.com/6UQUA54.jpg http://i.imgur.com/my4xD4J.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RUHBKJn.jpg It's a nice writer, but I've got no clue how it compares to an actual Rotring. My best mechanical pencil experience is still this old Papermate Clearpoint, aged around ~7 years: http://i.imgur.com/5GgeCNx.jpg -
Hello, I have been to an antique mall in my area today, and I discovered a cluster of writing instruments. I wasn't able to really look at everything as I was really pressed for time, but I did glimpse a Wahl Eversharp Doric pencil in green. It is one of the models with a little gold medallion above the clip. My question is: If I were to buy this pencil, how much could I reasonably expect to sell it for ? I do not have a Doric, and do not foresee the funds appearing to acquire one, so why would I need the pencil!? Also, I would not want to remove a pencil from the market that someone else could be using to complete a set. I will be able to return to the antiques mall tomorrow to check it out, maybe even buy it. They also had a Parker 21 (with matching pencil) in a Parker 51 box, and maybe some other pens, I was only able to get a glimpse inside the case before rushing off. Hopefully my ramblings are at least slightly understandable. Thanks
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I have a Chas. H. Ingersoll fountain pen that was found with a Redipoint in Upstate NY. The Dollar fountain pen is in great shape. Oddly enough, I don't believe its ever been used. The nib is perfectly clean, and I can't see any signs of ink in or around it, even with a magnifying glass. The nib is 14K and the outer casing is silver in color, the nickle plate (I think.). All the pieces are intact. I've opened it to take a look inside, bladder etc. is there. I have not tried to use it. C.H.I on nib & full name on top with a $ sign. It has a chevron pattern. The mechanical pencil is a Redipoint with an advertising top: Howe & Morgan Realty. On this I can't tell if it was used or not in the past. It has lead in place & extra lead inside, and I have tried it just to test. The lead slide down function is very smooth. It has a diamond pattern. I have done nothing to either one, they are in the condition they were found in. The reason I put them together, & would like to keep them together, is that I believe they may have been part of a set from the early years of their respective businesses (Chas. H Ingersoll & William Ingersoll). This idea is based on the average age of all articles found on site, including a "Bausch" eyeglass case, minus the "Lomb". I'd like to get a suggested value, as I will be posting on Ebay, as these are in much better shape than any I saw there. Any info would be appreciated.
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Okay, so I have a Pierre Cardin mechanical pencil, one where you twist the top to get the lead out. I dropped it today and the plastic on the inside (where the top plastic cap screws in) cracked. Whenever I try to screw the top in tightly/get more lead out, the crack opens and as a result, I can't get the lead out. I've tried to super glue the crack, but it's not holding. Any other tips?
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Help Requested!: Tiffany & Co Silver/ivory Propelling Pencil
bsolis1 posted a topic in It Writes, But It Is Not A Fountain Pen ....
Seeing as you fine people of FPN taught me pretty much everything I know about pens, handwriting, stationery, etc. - I'm hoping someone can help with a PENCIL question. In Feb 2012, I purchased some writing implements from the estate of Rowena Wright Willis - who it turned out, was John McCain's Aunt. The sale had an enormous quantity of obscenely fine items - from jewelry to furniture - so I managed to walk away with my small items for a pittance ($40ish). One of these items is the pencil in question, a Tiffany & Co. propelling pencil in silver and ivory. There are nearly no scratches to be found on the silver, and it is quite easy to see the wavy lines usually found in ivory. It takes a lead slightly larger than 1.1mm. I've exhausted every last ounce of my Google magic, of which there is generally a hearty supply, and come up with very little. I looked through the T&Co Blue Books (1894,1907) available online but did not find a matching description. Can anyone help? Dimensions: Total Length: 6 5/8" Silver Length: 2" Width at widest point: 1/4" Images Attached
