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  1. Ink Shoot-Out : Pelikan Edelstein Smoky Quartz vs J. Herbin Lie de Thé Last year, Pelikan pleasantly surprised me with its Ink of the Year 2017 - Smoky Quartz, and I've been really enjoying this smoky brown liquid. Fellow member Jan2016 then suggested that J. Herbin Lie de Thé is a very similar ink. That of course peaked my interest... so I got me a bottle of Lie de Thé and decided to pitch both inks against each other. Time to do a detailed comparison, and find out which of these is the better ink. Enter... the Ink Shoot-Out. A brutal fight spanning five rounds, where truly formidable inks do battle to determine who is the winner. And this time it's really a battle of giants! In the left corner - the new star from Hanover and Prussian heavyweight : Pelikan Edelstein Smoky Quartz. In the right corner, the crown jewel of Paris and offspring from a long line of giants : J. Herbin Lie de Thé. The boxing hall is packed to the roof, the crowds are cheering! Let the fight begin and may the best ink win... Round 1 First Impressions These are indeed heavyweights with a firm impression on the paper. Both inks leave a well-saturated line with excellent contrast to the page when used with my Lamy Safari M-nib on Rhodia N°16 notepad paper. Both inks also show subtle shading, without too much contrast between the light and darker parts, which I find aesthetically pleasing. The inks look quite similar, but there are some differences: Lie de Thé is a lighter brown, with more yellow undertones. This also shows in the chromatography of the inks. This lighter nature of Lie de Thé is most obvious in swatches, less so in written text.Lie de Thé lays down a wetter line. Smoky Quartz in contrast is a drier ink, but a really well lubricated one. With broader nibs, e.g. with the scribbles made with a 1.5 mm calligraphy nib, Smoky Quartz shows a bit more character, with a more pleasing appearance.Both inks make a great first impression. But when they climbed into the ring, the German champion radiated more confidence. I prefer its slightly darker hue, and the fact that it shows more character with the calligraphy nib. These inks are well matched, but for this round Smoky Quartz gets a small advantage from the judge. The chromatography clearly shows that both inks have lots in common. They have a really similar composition, with only a touch more yellow in the French ink's mix of dyes. Round 2 Writing Sample The writing sample was done on Rhodia N°16 Notepad with 80 gsm paper. Both inks behaved flawlessly, with no feathering and no show-through or bleed-through. With the EF nib, the darker complexion of Smoky Quartz comes into play, resulting in more contrast-rich writing. I also noticed that Smoky Quartz leaves a crisper line on the page, especially when using broader nibs. My guess is that this is due to the really pronounced initial wetness of Lie de Thé, which results in a slightly less well-defined line. Colourwise both inks look similar in writing, although there is definitely more of a yellow undertone in the J. Herbin ink. Both inks also shade nicely, without too much contrast between light and dark parts. This aesthetically pleasing shading gives more character to your writing. For this round, the focus is on writing, and here Smoky Quartz got a slight advantage. It works better with EF nibs, and also shows a crisper line. Not much of an advantage, but enough to result in a win on points. Round 3 Pen on Paper This round allows the batlling inks to show how they behave on a range of fine writing papers. From top to bottom, we have : FantasticPaper, Life Noble, Tomoe River and Original Crown Mill cotton paper. All scribbling and writing was done with a Lamy Safari M-nib. Both champions did well, with no show-through nor bleed-through. But this round is not about technicalities, it is about aesthetics and beauty. Are the fighters able to make the paper shine ? One thing is immediately apparent: these inks are at home on a wide range of papers, both white and off-white ones. On more absorbent paper like Fantasticpaper (top), the inks look really similar. With Tomoe River - definitely a non-absorbent paper - Lie de Thé shows its lighter nature. But it also lays down a less crisp line, making it look less interesting and losing some of its beauty. Both inks are on par with each other, but Smoky Quartz has a slight advantage in the looks department - it shows a more consistent look across the range of papers. For this round, victory is granted to Smoky Quartz. Not a knock-out, but definitely a win on points. Round 4 Ink Properties These inks are not fast-drying, requiring 20-25 seconds to dry completely (with an M-nib on Rhodia paper). Lie de Thé takes a bit more time to dry. Both inks are reasonably smudge-resistant. Some colour rubs off when using a moist Q-tip cotton swab, but the text itself remains crisp and clear. Being the lighter ink, the smudging is less pronounced with Lie de Thé. To test water resistance, I dripped water on the grid and let it sit there for 15 minutes, after which I removed the water with a paper towel. Both inks are remarkably water-resistant! The brown colour disappears, but a clearly readable dark-grey residue remains even after a 15 minute soak. Really impressive. For this round, both champions were well-matched, but Lie de Thé gets a small advantage for its less pronounced smudging. Round 5 The Fun Factor Welcome to the final round. Here I give you a purely personal impression of both inks, where I judge which of them I like most when doing some fun stuff like doodling and drawing. Both inks do well, and allow for some nice effects when using a water brush. I really enjoyed using them. With both inks, you can coax a broad colour range out of them. Dilute them with water, and you get the yellowish hues used for the background. Really saturate them, and you get a very similar looking dark brown. The foliage in the picture shows the undiluted colour, where Lie de Thé is obviously the lighter coloured ink. But overall, both champions did equally well, and no clear winner emerges. So for this round, I call it a draw - I greatly enjoyed playing with both of them. The Verdict Both inks are real jewels, that work on all types of paper. And being water-resistant, they make fine inks for use at work in an EDC pen. Is there a clear and definite winner? No. But the German champion did show a bit more promise : better contrast with EF nibs, and overall a crisper line on non-absorbent paper. Small advantages, but enough for this judge to declare Pelikan Edelstein Smoky Quartz the winner of this fight.
  2. Hello dear members of FPN, I would like to know whether there are any ways to identify when the particular bottle of J Herbin has been manufactured. Also is there a shelf life to their inks (non-shimmer one, I am looking at Poussiere De Lune with interest). This is assuming that the ink itself was not sun-bathing on a window display or the bottle otherwise tampered with. I am also looking at PR Ebony Purple, but am wary of catching a bad sample, now that their inks are manufactured after the passing of the original owner (who presumably knew the secret sauce to make these colors tick). Read enough to know that I may also get one sample with slime/sludge/mold etc. Thanks in anticipation,
  3. what is the most efficient ways to test all the fountain pen inks available and to make a like for like comparison? For instance i have tested Waterman, Herbin, Viscontini and Diamine but the shade of colour vary a great deal i like Visconti Bordeuax as a red but on other days i may like Diamine Oxblood but i like the wetness of a waterman red ink. I aim to reduce to a set number of of inks, so a maximum of two for each of the colours Red, Green, Blue, Black.for daily use. 1 unique colour such as an orange/brown/purple for journal writing. let me know your ideas thanks
  4. I found a stash of old reviews that got misplaced during a house move, so this one's a bit old. Rouille D'ancre is one of my favorite "not for everyday use" inks. It's a bit dry when writing, but this color is completely unique. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/93tSKo.jpg
  5. Close but not the same. Look at the chromo's! J Herbin Vert Pre Diamine Spring Green
  6. Greentings! MB Irish Green is my absolutely favorite green ink. However, the surplus of this ink in local boutiques is unstable and they often don’t have it available. On the other hand, the famous international store, where I frequently make purchases doesn’t carry MB inks. Could you please advice an ink similar in color and shading to the subject? In the first place from the range of Diamine, J.Herbin and other major brands present in Europe and the UK. (no Noodlers though! these inks are out of my reach) Thanks!
  7. Hello there, here is my first review for a wonderful ink. Hope you enjoy Armand.D Pictures : http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/31/1438347092-review-herbin-re-2.jpg http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/31/1438347102-img-0315.jpg http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/31/1438347109-img-0317.jpg
  8. tuintu

    J. Herbin - Éclat De Saphir

    Hi all, Four-year pause, I am back to the forum at last. And i'd like to introduce you my first ever ink review. Actually it's not a review, it's just a scribble. I am a true amateur and sorry for my terrible handwriting. Next time i'll try macro shoot. By the way if the topic is inappropriate, moderators can move it or delete... J. Herbin Eclat de Saphir is my second ink after Waterman Absolute Brown. and the pen is also my favourite type, Scrikss 17 with a Fine nib. Hope you like it...
  9. bstnnyc

    8 “Pinkish” Inks

    I've been wanting to try some kind of pinkish ink for a while. I didn’t want a pastel or cotton-candy pink, but other than that I was pretty open, so after going through the FPN boards and using the Goulet swatch tool, the eight finalists ranged from burgundy to magenta to purplish and reddish pinks: Diamine Syrah, Pilot Iroshizuku Yama-Budo, Rohrer & Klingner Magenta, Rohrer & Klingner Solferino, J. Herbin Rose Cyclamen, Pilot Iroshizuku Tsutsuji, J. Herbin Rouge Bourgogne, and Rohrer & Klingner Fernambuk. Although I liked some of the colors, I didn’t see myself using pink enough to warrant buying a full bottle (given that I am trying, though not very well , to stick to a stricter ink budget). I didn’t want the samples to go to waste though so I thought it might be helpful to post a comparison on here for anyone else who might also be thinking of going “pink.” The writing samples were done on Rhodia using a random steel nib pen (that I use as a dip pen) and a Pilot Custom 74 B nib ground down to a smooth stub by Mike Masuyama (also used as a dip pen to be able to test all the colors quickly). I’ve included a second set of samples on Tomoe River Paper, since some of these inks (especially given their sheen) could make for beautiful options for special letters, cards or notes on heavily "sheening" paper. PS I would need to ink a pen with it to accurately test its smoothness and flow, but if I had to pick one pink ink that I could see myself using often enough to purchase a full bottle it would be R&K Magenta. Which one of the eight would you pick? 1. On Rhodia: Closeups Ink Swabs 2. On Tomoe River Paper: Closeups Highest "Sheening" Ink Close-up Ink Swabs 3. Ink on Paper Towel: Top Row: Diamine Syrah, Pilot Iroshizuku Yama-Budo, Rohrer & Klingner Magenta, Rohrer & Klingner Solferino Bottom Row: J. Herbin Rose Cyclamen, Pilot Iroshizuku Tsutsuji, J. Herbin Rouge Bourgogne, Rohrer & Klingner Fernambuk
  10. http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/370e744c3944c0f5d895c4916ba3b3c6.jpg I was lucky to receive a sample of the coming J.Herbin Emerald of Civor from Bureau Direct (UK)! Thank you so much for the chance to try this amazing thing! http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/fd647a72e524b34242c990854cfa216c.jpg http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/f9037bf64160cdc716cd61f9ed592190.jpg ^Tomoe River paper The process of filling up pens with this and the Stormy Grey is pretty much the same. Shake the bottle till you can't see any gold at the bottom, and then quikly fill your pen. This is the best was to get a good amount of gold in your pen. Many people only use these inks in their cheaper pens, because of the particles. I could clean the Stormy Grey pretty easily, but I haven't tried to clean the Chivor yet. So, even though I had no issues, please use these inks carefully. Here we go with some shading, sheen and gold! http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/9549b6700fd3883ec8d502657e32e0ce.jpg ^Tomoe River above, Canson Satin tracing paper below. http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/9d36565bf073c41462821780246313fe.jpg ^Sheen on Tomoe River http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/0269cabf3bd75ccc7c04754e1aa261c8.jpg http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/56fc27a198fdf816f8be3454d6602b66.jpg http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/c4cd841a35972011b1f69cecc816c96b.jpg http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/159cc57287494cce8ffd17a43c71eb28.jpg ^80g printer paper, Safari 1.5 http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/377a29ce537291b328d05e0f6756cab1.jpg ^ 80g printer paper, Pelikan M600 medium. No sheen on this paper, but you still have the gold! Even this was it looks pretty sweet! http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/27e143156a125c2be67faa698046123d.jpg ^90g Clairefontaine paper http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/8d9172c0c0dd709ffc713f0fa4b9b20c.jpg ^Tomoe River http://kephost.com/images/2015/07/23/413b8d413f42bd9869edd3c624c6ba1b.jpg ^Tomoe River This ink is simply amazing! It needs a good paper to come alive, but be warned that you might fall in deep love with it!
  11. Hi folks, I don't know about you, but I have heard some rumours that J Herbin was reformulating Ocean Blue ink...must have been Stormy Grey's success So, I was expecting blue ink with silver particles...but it looks like they have opted out for gold... No indication on the bottle (of course) Here are few quick snaps of their very last batch:
  12. white_lotus

    J Herbin Emerald Of Chivor 1670

    I recently received a sample of this ink. I don't normally go for glitter inks and I wouldn't get this one. It's not bad at all, and the flow is very good. Since this was a sample I can't say whether I received the proper amount of glitter bits. It sheens amazingly on Tomoe River. Pen: Edison Premiere (M-steel) Papers: MvL=Mohawk via Linen, TR=Tomoe River, Hij=Hammermill 28 lb inkjet, Rhodia=Rhodia 90g ivory. Camera: iPhone 7 No sheen on MvL or Hij. A feeble attempt to capture the sheen. It's much more dramatic in the flesh.
  13. It's time for another Ink Giveaway PIF! I am giving away a nearly full bottle of J. Herbin Orange Indien ink. This ink is similar to the OMAS Orange I gave away in an earlier PIF, but is a little less saturated. Here are the rules: 1) United States only. 2) Winners of my previous PIFs (Levenger and OMAS inks) are not eligible for this PIF. 3) Everyone who posts on this thread saying they want the ink through Tuesday, January 3, 2017 is eligible. 4) On January 4, 2017 I'll post here to close the PIF and everyone ahead of me in the thread will be entered. I'll select a winner using the random number generator at random.org. I'll list the winner here, and contact them via PM to set up shipment. 5) You can enter as many of my PIFs as you want, but you can win only one. In the event the same FPN member wins two PIFs, I'll ask you to choose which you want. I'll draw another name to win the other prize. 6) I will ship to the winner for free, in exchange for a letter or postcard from you containing handwritten samples of your five favorite ink colors. Or, you can pay for shipping, whichever you prefer. (I will ship via USPS). 7) Winners who don't respond to my PM within three days after close of the PIF will forfeit their winning. I'll draw again to find another winner. Here is a writing sample of the ink.
  14. We currently have the latest ink from J. Herbin "Caroube de Chypre" in stock. Its a gorgeous heavily saturated ink with a mixture of dark brown and red hues completed with a sparkling gold effect. Make sure to shake the ink well before filling your pen and consider using a type of paper that is not too absorbent, to get the most out of this beautiful ink. Retail: $26 Call: 855-565-1818 email: orders@airlineintl.com Order Online
  15. Inferno2Inferno

    J. Herbin Black Question

    So one of my favorite fountain pen inks out there as far as black is concerned is J.Herbin Perle Noire. IMO it writes like silk no matter which pen I put it in. Just one question: does anybody else find that this particular ink tends to leak in the cap more often than others? Do you find your nib to be exceptionally wet with this particular black? Any insights would be great!
  16. Just in case you need a nice summertime fix of very pretty brown n gold ink! http://www.gouletpens.com/j-herbin-caroube-de-chypre-1670-anniversary-ink/p/H150-45 Images http://cdn-tp1.mozu.com/6639-8588/cms/8588/files/d083f655-a3e4-430f-91b9-c91f4ec3cb0d/ http://cdn-tp1.mozu.com/6639-8588/cms/8588/files/2317d2a9-56bd-4256-baab-803782e93fef/
  17. Here's one I found interesting. I've only played with J. Herbin's 1670 series of inks, so it was nice to try something a bit more conventional. I had bought an empty bottle just for the style. I'm surprised I was able to get so much leftover ink out of it.
  18. My current research led me to a kind of "what's hot"/guide book on the must-visit shops and most notable people of Paris in 1692. There is a very small section on writing and stationery shops and within that section a page that I think many of us would have earmarked back in the day; pen and ink aficionados never change Here's a loose translation of the entire short passage: At [the house named] 'l'Image Saint François', on rue Saint André next to the bridge Saint Michel, there is a stationer famous for the good ink (la bonne encre), for precision pen knives and for sharpened quills. I haven't done any reading on ink history, but has anyone come across any literature on this "good ink"? Herbin isn't mentioned in the section either for his sealing wax or for his inks. The Herbin website notes that he "created 'The Jewel of Inks' in his shop on the Rue des Fossés Saint-Germain in Paris in 1700" and that "by 1700, the company was producing 'l’Encre de la Tête Noire,' followed by 'Perle des Encres,' (The Jewel of Inks) and 'l’Encre des Vaisseaux.'" Could "the good ink" be "l’Encre de la Tête Noire" since it preceded the "Jewel of Inks" and could have launched around then? My research isn't centered on ink, but if I come across any other ink mentions I will post them here!
  19. Hi, we have just got in a sample of J Herbin's Emerald of Chivor ink and it deserves a quick review. I will say this up front : this one is a game changer. J Herbin caused a revolution last year with Stormy Grey. The anticipation was incredible, the sales were over the roof...and mostly...it got people talking and writing again. Turns out, Stormy Grey was just the beginning. This year J Herbin have opted for a green coloured ink with gold specs. Here is the official info: After the 1670 Hematite Red, Ocean Blue and Stormy Grey, we now have Chivor Emerald.In the middle of the XVI century, when the Conquistadors discovered the Colombian emerald mines, in particular the Chivor mine renowned for its emeralds with bluish tints. From then on, because of their exceptional qualities, they conquered the imperial courts of Europe thanks to the Indian traders.Later, J.Herbin continued his journeys to India. It is said that he always kept an emerald with him as the virtues of this precious stone are thought to protect the traveler… It is very difficult to photograph and describe, but I will do my best. Post might be a little picture heavy The bottle is the same as other 3 Anniversary inks. Teal seal with golden thread. Specs in the bottle remind me of nail varnish. Emerald describes the colour very well. Shading goes from Vert Reseda to dark teal. Ink flow is excellent! Ink has a heavy outer contour purple sheen (just like Sailor's Yama Budo), but there is also light green metallic sheen (colour similar to Fisher's Green Space Pen). This two-coloured sheen is in my opinion unheard (un-seen) of! Just like Stormy Grey, this ink is water-resistant. Not water-proof, but if you use it to write the address on the envelope, it should be OK. So here it is...over-all very exciting ink... What do you think? Is it your cup of tea? Would you get a bottle (or two)? I have been trying to find The One and accumulated almost 100 different colours (mostly green, turquoise, gold) of ink. This one will rule them all! Mishka
  20. Here's my review of the new version of J. Herbin Bleu Ocean 1670 that contains the long awaited gold pigment. As far as appearances go, the new version looks worlds better just with the inclusion of the gold, but it's still nowhere near as well behaved as Rouge Hematite. But it's definitely worth the money just based on its uniqueness! Here's my review of the original Bleu Ocean 1670 formula (please scroll all the way down for a more recent scan as the old scan has a horrible magenta color cast and isn't accurate), here's my review of the related Stormy Grey 1670, and here's my review of Rouge Hematite 1670 (the original formula—the most recent is the fourth version). I'll be adding some more pictures tomorrow. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/GssLXb.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/mjHiMP.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/gn252A.jpg
  21. Madbohemianpoet

    J Herbin: Poussiere De Lune

    This may seem like a strange question but is J Herbin's Poussiere de Lune actually made out of moondust? I ask, as every online store on the internet both in the UK (and even Lacouronne du Comte) seems to be out of stock. I've been told the restocking times could be anything from one week to three months (Lacouronne du Comte informed me that their distributors are on holiday!!!). So I've bought a 10ml bottle on ebay for now and gone with a replacement colour at LdC as they'd already taken payment prior to contacting me. Is this colour that popular or are J Herbin phasing this colour out? Thanks
  22. Last Knight

    J. Herbin 50Ml 1670 Massdrop

    Massdrop is doing a new drop for J. Herbin's 1670 anniversary inks - 2 bottles of Stormy Grey and one of Rouge Hematite. Direct link: here. Space is limited, 150 available. Well, 149 now. ^_^





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