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  1. Having acquired a small handful of Esterbrooks (4 + 3 that were given away) over the last year, most recently for sticking Osmiroid nibs in, EoC has a thought about the design decision that Esterbrook Co. took. Although this is obviously subjective, EoC opines that the earlier dollar pens are far more aesthetically pleasing than any of the later models. The dollar pen has unbroken material around the blind end of the barrel, and the clip has a certain style to it where it wraps over the end of the cap protecting it. In the transitional, the barrel stayed the same but the clip was changed and a jewel added. In the later J models both barrel end and cap end were changed to accomodate a jewel. Now, correct EoC if he is wrong (as is often the case), but does anyone else feel that calling a piece of molded (and frankly ugly) plastic a 'jewel' has got to be about as Barnum & Bailey as Montblanc and their 'precious resin'? Personally, EoC thinks that the addition of these bits of plastic that serve no real purpose actually makes the later pens look cheap and tacky. A contentious opinion? Perhaps.
  2. I'm was betting that the bad description and poor quality photos would barely get noticed. Turned out to be a good bet! I blew the photos up as I like to do in auctions that are poorly described, and instantly recognized it as a grey icicle, the only color icicle I was missing! So I laid low, and sniped it for a mere $26 (+ shipping). http://www.ebay.com/itm/SILVER-ESTERBROOK-FOUNTAIN-PEN-/151912349842?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=C9YRKLUeQHhE4EBnnwxwfo1Pl5Q%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc I'll post a family photo when it arrives! I wonder what nib it has?
  3. I currently do not own any Esterbrooks, so I'm not familiar with their values. Saw this very clean Esterbrook Feed-Matic Base (green base) desk set this weekend at an antique store for $60. Seems like a good deal to me, but I am not certain. Just might become my first Esterbrook.
  4. PaperQueen

    Sacs: Silicone Vs. Rubber?

    Has anyone tried silicone sacs in an Estie? http://www.vintagepens.com/catill_sacs_seals.shtml From the description, it sounds like they'd have a bit more longevity, but then again, I'm a complete newbie at this whole "take it apart and put it together" thing. Also, as long as I have your attention.... What's the best resource for purchasing sacs, talc, shellac, etc.? My newest Estie just arrived with a loose nib section (so loose it falls out). From what I've gleaned in other posts, the solution is to apply a thin coat of shellac, let it dry overnight, then try to pressure fit the section into the body, so....gotta get my hands on shellac. Esterbrooks = Tinker Toys for pen junkies
  5. I have a Pelikan M200 that I never use, and I would like to change this. Right now I am working on my italic cursive and Spencerian handwriting, so unless a pen has a flex or italic/stub nib I am just not that interested. Wandering around the web I have found a few discussions about using Osmiroid nibs in Esterbrook pens, which made me curious. Looking at the screw in Esterbrook and Osmoroid nibs it seems that they are fairly similar to Pelikan's m200 nibs. I know that Pelikan does not make an italic nib for the m200, so I began to wonder about what nibs may be compatible. Does anyone know what italic nibs will fit into a Pelikan m200? I would prefer a vintage nib section, but any modern italic nib that works with a Pelikan would be fine, if it is crisp. I have seen threads about fitting Pelikan nibs into TWSBI pens, does this work in reverse too (can a TWSBI 530/540 or 580 or mini nib fit into a Pelikan m200)? Any information that can be provided would be greatly appreciated.
  6. PaperQueen

    I Got Snookered On Ebay, Crud.

    You know the old warning about sending food back in a restaurant because someone might spit in it? Well, I think an eBay seller just spit on my Estie. Ordered my first two Esterbrooks on eBay---a Gray Pearl LJ from someone who focuses more on other types of collectible items (higher perceived risk, lower price), and a Copper J from someone who claims to deal in lots of Esterbrooks (lower perceived risk, higher price...$49.99). From the latter listing: Restored state: Working J bar and fresh bladder in each. These pens are guaranteed to write.Overall condition: These pens are in gently used condition. There will be no major flaws, but there may be micro scratches consistent with the age of the pen. We are fountain pen enthusiasts and our special purpose on Ebay is to provide you with quality writing materials, vintage and new, expensive and economical. The first Copper J arrived with three significant cracks running from the jewel on the cap, downward (it was otherwise in very good condition). I felt this was beyond the advertised "gently used condition...no major flaws...may be micro scratches consistent with the age of the pen." The seller agreed to exchange it for another Copper J. I paid return shipping...she sent the replacement...and...well, read the first line of my post. The new one arrived yesterday. Technically, one could argue the J bar "works," but it's severely rusted, as is the lever. There was so much dried ink caked in the nib, feed, and inside the cap, it's taking endless soaking in Dawn and distilled water (two hours and counting) to clear the mess. As for the "fresh bladder," I'm not sure. Can't get a good look inside, but am concerned by the fact the lever easily flips all the way up, unlike my other two Esties that stop half way, presumably due to resistance from the sac (yes, a third Estie found its way to my stable in the interim). Is all this worth trying to repair, or should I attempt to return this to the seller (in better condition than it was received)? Something tells me, I'm not the first person to have this happen. And this, after the first hour in the bath:
  7. Mob Mentality

    Nos Dip-Less

    Hello all. I recently purchased 2 NOS Esterbrook Dip-less pens. I have desk fountain pens but these are my first dip-less pens. I got the two pens for $27 with free S&H. I think I got a great deal but have no idea what dip-less pens go for in this condition. I already have several dip-less bases and plenty of nibs. I was originally planning on using them but considering their condition now I'm hesitant. Any thoughts? Enjoy the pictures! http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah48/Davide_Borrelli/EsterbrookDipless_01_zpsrbb1uejk.jpg http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah48/Davide_Borrelli/EsterbrookDipless_03_zpszwsn7heg.jpg http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah48/Davide_Borrelli/EsterbrookDipless_04_zps93pjohr1.jpg
  8. TimCasey13

    What To Look For In A Desk Set

    I don't know if this has been asked before, but what should I look for when buying an Esterbrook desk set? Either a 444 or 407 and the variations upon them.
  9. It is Back-to-School Season! And I have an Esterbrook J-series pen available for a student. You are eligible if: -You are a student (at any level! of any topic!), and -You have not won a PIF from the Fountain Pen Network in the past 3 months, and -You have a US mailing address. You'll receive: -The pen, with a 1551 nib. -Three ink samples of your choice. Options are: Noodler's: Air Corp Blue-Black, Red Rattler, Blue, Diamine: Pumpkin, Onyx Waterman: Purple Pilot: Iroshizuku Yama-Budo This is a pen that I previously won as a PIF. I'm not using it as much as I'd like, primarily because I use a different Esterbrook SJ more frequently, so I'd like this to go to another good home. I'm going to the post office tomorrow. If you're eligible and interested, please PM me and include your name, mailing address, what 3 inks you'd like, and what you're studying.
  10. Mob Mentality

    Dip Pen Storage

    Hello everybody, I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions for dip pen storage which includes holders and nibs. I know that a similar topic exists but it didn't really encompass the storage of such a large quantity of nibs and holders. The last time I counted I have about 6,000 to 7,000 various nibs all new old stock and about 50 or so dip pen holders many of which are also new old stock and are in their original boxes. Some of the boxes of nibs are still sealed some are open. I store some nibs in small polyethylene bags by model and company and leave others in their original box and put the boxes in bags or polypropylene containers. I want to make sure that however they are being stored will be safe for long term storage. I'm not sure if it's better to leave the nibs in the box or to remove them and put them in small bags. Any advice or suggestions would be great. Here are a few pictures. Davide http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah48/Davide_Borrelli/Crown_1_zpsoq3mevy8.jpg http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah48/Davide_Borrelli/Eagle%20Corktex_04_zps8es335gz.jpeg http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah48/Davide_Borrelli/Falcon%20Stub_zps15a83ksn.jpg http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah48/Davide_Borrelli/Eagle%20Pencil%20Co%20Carton%201_zps9zaeexyk.jpg This is a carton of E740 nibs there are 25 boxes of 144 ct. The original carton is marked Eagle Pencil Co.
  11. http://goo.gl/OOcOJ7 Please take a closer look at this "Double Jewel Ivory Colored" Esty I just won, especially the pic that shows both jewels. I'm guessing a lot of people passed right over it because of its poor description. Never judge a book by its cover! And since I already have a black jeweled nurses pen, now I only need to find the green one!
  12. ISW_Kaputnik

    8-Ball Desk Pen. Loose In Holder?

    I just got my first Esterbrook desk pen. It's the kind with a lever-filler fountain pen and an "8-ball" holder. For now I'll assume that a picture would not help, as my question would be for people who are already familiar with this style.. The pen is apparently ready to go, new sac, good condition 2668 nib. I notice, however, that it sits loosely in the holder. Not ridiculously so, but there's none of the secure feeling I'm used to with a typical slip cap fountain pen. I also notice that there is no "inner cap" equivalent inside the pen holder. Is this normal? I don't have any other desk pens of this style, and I haven't inked this one yet. I'm just wondering if it will tend to dry out because there isn't a tight enough seal. Or maybe the fact that it's nib down will be enough. For those who have used these, do they fit tightly into the base, or is there some play?
  13. fireant

    Nurse Pen Question?

    Hello-I attended my first ever pen show yesterday. I found a white Esterbrook nurse's pen with a black jewels-bought it, then walked around and the next dealer had a white nurse's fountain pen in a box that also came with a white ballpoint pen (the refill still works). I am not sure if the set came in the box supplied. My question though is were the nurse's ballpoint pens common? ETA-hit wrong button-here is a picture.
  14. Chiro75

    My Engraved Esties

    Here are mine...
  15. Hi, Greetings from Brazil. Since this post is my introduction but it will be lengthier than the usual introductions, I post it here. 1. Of How I Grew to Hate Fountain Pens I've been fond of calligraphy from the time I learnt to read. I remember distictively a recipe notebook my grandmother had, with perfect Spencerian calligraphy, which I tried to imitate for a long time, but I didn't have quite the motor coordination needed when I was 8 years old or so : o ). Anyhow, when I was 10 or thereabouts I got my first fountain pen, which worked quite ok. I don't remember what happened to it, but i don't have it anymore... it was a really cheap one. Some two years after I got a Crown pen as a gift, and for some reason it never wrote properly... way too scratchy and skipped a lot. I got rid of it and gave up on fountain pens for 18 years ; ), until last week. In this short hiatus I've studied calligraphy, on my own and also on a calligraphy school here in São Paulo. It was founded on the beginning of the 1900s, and it had all the overscientific approach one would expect. For instance, this precious image from their manual, self-eulogizing the contraptions the founder of that school invented: Here the poor boy is being forced not to incline over the table, and to hold the pen correctly with some wires in his hand. I suspect this might be "inspired" in something from abroad, but I never saw anything like that apart from this book. My teacher was the grandson of the founder of this school, and he said they had hoarded dip pens from 1930 to last for at least a century, and that after they had used everything they wouldn't have any way to continue doing business. He flourished his tales way too much, but indeed he only used old dip pens. 2. Of How Much Laziness (and Some Learning) Made Me Overcome Hate Now being thirty I grew quite tired of dip pens, and also wished to be able to write decently away from home : o ). I've chased fountain pens that were similar to dip pens in being able to exchange the nibs easily, and so last week I discovered all about the Esterbrook J pens, mostly thanks to members of this forum. It so happens that Esterbrooks were sold in decent quantities here in Brazil in the 1950s and 60s, apparently. I've been able to buy, so far, just one model J, black, that came with one nib 1550 and a 2668. In fact in the afternoon I was to receive it at home, I went foraging for other nibs here in São Paulo, with my father for moral support. In the old downtown there are three small stores dedicated to fountain pens. In the first one I asked if the owner, who works there in the same store since the 1950s, if he had any Esterbrook pens. He said he didn't, and only that, which sounded like "no, just go away". And so I went. In the next one other venerably old gentleman looked at me with some amazement... it seemed he hadn't heard that name in quite some time. He had just some 9460 nibs, curiously with a green but translucid base; is this common? In the last one I got lucky, they had many: 9461, 9550, 9556, 9668, and the 9968. Bought all of them, and a Waterman Inspired Blue. At last, as I had seen some Pilot Parallels in the first store I went, I forgot the way-too-short talk we had and went again to the first store, and asked for the Parallel and if he had Esterbrook nibs, this time. He asked which one I wanted, and I said I wanted an italic nib. He said he might have one, but took a long while to fix a ballpoint pen some lady had asked him to reassemble, and some fifteen minutes (I checked...) later he went in search of the nib, and some ten minutes more or so he emerged with an 2312 nib, the italic one. Lo that the calligraphy gods smiled to me that day. I asked him if he had just that one, and he said it was his "sole son". I paid the equivalent of 10 dollars for it :-O. After one way to spicy acarajé we came home, the pen had arrived. At first I tested it with the nib it came with, the 2668 one. I liked it a lot. I forgot to clean the pen first, so my blue is tainted with black, apparently... but beautifully so, I think. Then I put the italic one and wrote, and I'm quite shocked to see how easy life can be. Oh dear. A very modest sample is here (Where do I edit my signature?): Now I don't know what exactly to do... if collect every variation of pen and nib, or just get one or two red ones that are really gorgeous, so I can write like normal people too : o ).
  16. Cryptos

    Changing Nibs.

    Hi, I have a question for Esterbrook experts. Q. Is it okay to change the nib on an Esterbrook J while the pen is still inked?
  17. I got an old Esterbrook, with no nib, to try out as a dip pen. It's just an experiment Any suggestions on how to know which size/kind of nib would slide on? Alex....and Spock, just because.
  18. New_Falcon

    Expected Life Of A Sac And J Bars?

    In the Ink For Esties thread Bruce in Ocala, Fl said that saturated ink will lessen the life over time of a latex sac. This raised a question in my mind that if you have a Esterbrook should it be assumed that you should replace the sac every so often and if that's the case what would 'often' be? I've just picked up two Esterbrooks and so am reading as much as I can about them and wondering generally how long should I expect the j bars and sacs to last.
  19. Lovely_Pen

    Inks For Esties?

    So I'm still pretty new to vintage pens and I was just wondering if there were any types of ink I should avoid using in my Esterbrooks (due to the sacs)? So far, I've only inked up my Esties with Mont Blanc Daniel Defoe Palm Green and Organics Studio Foggy Bottom--both of which seemed like safe bets. I have some Sailor Jentle ink though which I'd love to use too, but because they have such a chemical smell to them, I wasn't sure how safe they would be in a sac/lever filler pen. I have a bottle of J. Herbin Stormy Gray but I couldn't imagine trying to clean out all the bits of sparkles... Many thanks for your advice!
  20. Appears to be a lovely Mexican made green one. This will be my first Icicle! I'm kinda excited! http://goo.gl/ed7bqV
  21. Alexcat

    Wee Deep Dip Pen, With Cap

    I got this.....it's a tiny Esterbrook dip pen, with an e tea large dip nib(photos show it as it arrived....have as yet done nothing to it) On the nib : 314 R. Esterbrook relief( Im assuming "relief", as the 'r' is under the barrel) Altogether, capped around 6" I love how it has a cap, and plan to use it as a test pen, when Im trying to choose an ink. It's just a very pretty little thing, and I'd love to know more about it....anyone got any information? Also any advice on care, cleaning, and if/where such replacement nibs are available.... I hope it's ok to post in more than one place - wasnt sure where this should go. Mods. please give me a gentle ticking off if I shouldn't have done it Alex
  22. The more Esterbrook pens that cross my path, the more I learn. The more I learn, the more details I start to pay attention to. Which leads me to my latest question. I received a lot of pens not too long ago - mostly black Dollar pens, or so it seemed. Armed with my trusty Esterbrook book, and looking over some of the resources, I began to question the pens. On the surface, they looked right, but as I checked the imprints, I need some clarification. I have two pens in particular that are black Dollar pen caps, on barrels with the imprint simply "Esterbrook". According to the book, these barrels are 1944-47 dates, and belong to the second transitional pens with a jeweled cap. The Dollar pens should have one of the "R Esterbrook" imprints, and would not extend into the late '40s. Am I correct in this assumption?
  23. spaceink

    Esterbrook Mods

    As someone who has dabbled with modifying watches with after-sale parts--what people often call "modding"--I thought of doing the same to some of my fountain pens that may benefit from a mod or two. I'm unlikely to sell any of my pens for a profit anyway and have a preference for personal touches. The one I picked was a pastel green Esterbrook purse pen. As many have said, the plastic on these are very fragile, and the cap lip on this one was very problematic for me. About 4-5 cracks had appeared and every time I used the pen I was afraid a piece would fall off. Solvent welding did its job, to a point but the cracks would reappear. There was also an unsightly chip that I feared would enlarge into a larger crack. I had used black epoxy paint to fill in cracks for some other pens and so an idea came to me to paint the cap lip with it. I was able to even fill in the gap where the chip had been, after a few layers had dried. It doesn't totally seem out of place, don't you think? It's not a crazy change at all, more like a stabilizing repair, but i'll count it as a mod because it's not part of the original design. Has anyone else done other Esterbrook mods of sorts? I remember seeing a few pens here that have been put together using parts other than Esterbrooks' and they seem really cool. I'm sure it drives the purists nuts but I don't find the term Frankenpen derogatory at all. They are often wonderful unique creations.
  24. New site/forum member, and have been banigng around a bit, looking for some information .. I might yet stumble on it ... I currently have 4 pens... Esterbrook J (I believe) with a 9314-F Releif nib Esterbrook J (I believe) with a 9550 nib Esterbrook ? desk pen that goes in the '8-ball' desk holder with a 9550 nib Shaeffer's Balance White Dot (again .. I believe .. larger unit) with a Lifetime gold (gold, colored anyway .. doesn't say gold) nib This one is cleaned up, and I'm currently waiting for some rebuild parts (sacs, talc, etc) to get it back into working order. Seems to write nice and smooth via dipping, however. I would like to end up with a reasonably priced (i.e. $100 or less) flexy pen. As I already own these pens .. that would leave me with a few more bucks for a replacement nib, rather than purchasing an entire pen. I'm not that into having a prestine pen (nor would mind a Franken-pen, if I'm not destroying a real collectable) .. but something I could try more elaborate penmanship with .. Spencerian / Copper Plate style, I guess. I understand the Etsy line doesn't really have a true flexy nib ... and the current nib on the Shaeffer's certainly isn't. As these appear to be relatively available nibs .. I'm not opposed to having them 're-built', but I would think the starter nib would need to be closer to what I'm looking for, than these. Anyone have suggestions as to replacement nibs I could look at for the above pens? Certainly a old Waterman with a nice flexy would be wonderful, but I'm asuming they will be out of my price range. Thanks for all ... while I keep keep checking out this vast site & forums! Dennis
  25. Article about the new Esterbrrok pens in today's USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/02/05/reviving-the-pen-that-wrote-american-history/22941265/

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