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  1. De Atramentis Document Blue Grey (formerly Document Fog Grey) According to Vanness this was formerly Document Fog Grey. Another Document ink by De Atramentis, with an uninspired name. Ink has below average lubrication, is wet with very fast dry times on Rhodia. Ironically I most enjoyed writing/ sketching with the Japanese Ef nib. I would say, it’s a better option than Akkerman #09 Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indigo. Cleaning was easy but for longer use you might need a pen flush nearby. Chroma is interesting, purple at the core and lighter blue at the edges. It's also a fast drying ink, so it's good for lefties on Rhodia. Writing Samples: Photo: Comparison: Water test: and finally an artwork. Lady sings the Blues... · Pens used: Pilot Kakuno Ef, Lamy (EF/F/M/B, 1.1), Kanwrite with an Ahab nib · What I liked: Sketching and writing with a Japanese Ef nib. · What I did not like: The ink didn’t sing for me. Too wet, low lubrication and long name. · What some might not like: It’s pigment ink. · Shading: Not much. · Ghosting: With wet flex nib. · Bleed through: Same as above. · Flow Rate: Wet · Lubrication: Below average. · Nib Dry-out: Did not notice. · Start-up: No. · Saturation: Not really. · Shading Potential: · Sheen: Did not notice. · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: Did not notice. · Nib Creep / “Crud”: Did not notice. · Staining (pen): Did not notice. · Clogging: No. · Cleaning: Easy for a pigment ink, though having a cleaning solution would be wise. · Water resistance: Excellent. · Availability: 45 ml bottles. Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier
  2. This is a very well behaved waterproof black ink. The more I used it the more I enjoyed it. It’s well lubricated, well behaved and a lovely shiny black. If you’re looking for a waterproof black ink this could fit the bill. Octopus has a host of warnings and does not recommend you using it in your favorite shiny fountain pen. And recommends a well-sealed pen, which is a no brainer. They also suggest that the shelf life of their ink is two years, which is a bit surprising. This ink is ISO 12757-2 and DIN ISO 14145-2 and it's vegan in case you want to drink it Here is the list of complete line up: https://www.octopus-office.de/shop/en/creative-inks/write-draw-ink/?p=1 Let's start with the chroma: Writing Samples: There was a hint ghosting and bleed through with the B nib Photo: Comparison: Watertest: Nothing came off. Impressive. and finally an artwork: I sketched this from a black and white photo. · Pens used: Pilot Kakuno Ef,/Stub, Kaweco Sport (EF/F/M/B/), Osmiroid with a copper plate nib · What I liked: Almost everything. It’s an understated black that grew on me. · What I did not like: Nothing much. · What some might not like: There’s a list of warnings, not to be used in expensive pens. · Shading: No. · Ghosting: Only with B nib on Hammermill paper. · Bleed through: Same as above. · Flow Rate: Nice and wet. · Lubrication: Excellent. · Nib Dry-out: No. · Start-up: No. · Saturation: Saturated · Shading Potential: Dismal. · Sheen: No. · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: No. · Nib Creep / “Crud”: Not noticed. · Staining (pen): No. · Clogging: No. · Cleaning: Relatively easy · Water resistance: Excellent · Availability: 50 ml Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier
  3. De Atramentis Document Red Grey I really enjoyed using this ink. It’s an improved version of Noodler’s Red Black with the added full waterproofness, until I reached the cleaning part. It was not as straightforward as I thought. The ink managed to stain my Lamy convertor and in the end after soaking for few hours in water, the red dye was more than tenacious. So, I simply dunked it in my Monteverde cleaning solution and the problem was solved. However it didn't stain the Pilot CON-40 nor the cheap nonane Chinese convertor. This is not a deal breaker for me. The worst thing is when ink smudges or refuses to dry, then bleed through. The rest I can live with, if I really like the ink. It also doesn't like cheap thin papers. Let's start with the chroma: Writing samples: It doesn't like thin copy paper. Photo: Comparison: Water-test: (Nothing budges) and finally an artwork. from a drawing challenge, entitled Solar System with my cat and mouse characters Fountain pen inks De Atramentis Urban Grey / Red Grey Kuretake brush pen (black) Water colour (blue), Silver marker · Pens used: Pilot Kakuno Ef, (Lamy EF/F/M/B/Stub 1.1), Osmiroid Copperplate nib · What I liked: Well lubricated, intriguing colour. · What disappointed me: Staining of Lamy convertor (a first for me), and cleaning. · What some might not like: High maintenance cleaning, staining convertor, doesn't like cheap thin paper. · Shading: Yes · Ghosting: No. · Bleed through: · Flow Rate: Wet · Lubrication: Excellent - Cushiony · Nib Dry-out: No. · Start-up: No. · Saturation: No. · Shading Potential: Yes · Sheen: No. · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: No. · Nib Creep / “Crud”: Didn’t notice. · Staining (pen): Yes, Lamy convertor! · Clogging: No. · Cleaning: The red dye is tenacious. · Water resistance: Excellent. · Availability: 45 ml bottles. Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier
  4. This is an excellent sepia ink by De Atramentis. I loved using it over and over again. Very well behaved, easier to clean than blue inks Let's start with the chroma: Writing Samples: Photo: Comparison: Water test: Left side was dabbed with water. The smudge beside the kitty was there before the watertest And per usual an art work, part of the Inktober yearly challenge, prompt was Camel: Paper is a Talens square notebook. · Pens used: Pilot Kakuno Ef, Stub/ Kaweco (EF/F/M/B/Stub 1.1), Osmiroid Copperplate nib · What I liked: Really well-behaved ink. Very well-behaved ink. Excellent for sketching! And easy to clean! · What I did not like: Nothing · What some might not like: It’s a nano pigment ink · Shading: Yes, with wider nibs. · Ghosting: No. · Bleed through: No. · Flow Rate: Lovely. · Lubrication: Nice, thought best with European pens. · Nib Dry-out: No. · Start-up: No. · Saturation: Nice. · Shading Potential: Only with flex nibs · Sheen: No. · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: No. · Nib Creep / “Crud”: Didn’t notice. · Staining (pen): No. · Clogging: No. · Cleaning: Very easy · Water resistance: Excellent. · Availability: 45 ml bottles. Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier
  5. I've been thinking about giving the DeAtramentis Document series a try as I do prefer a waterproof or water resistant ink. In researching some of the properties, I've come across some conflicting statements about this series of inks. The Goulet website says that the Document series is NOT pigmented. The JetPens website says that the Document series IS pigmented. Which is correct. Forgive me if this has been addressed else where. Honest: I did do a search first.
  6. yazeh

    De Atramentis Document Red

    This ink like and it’s artsy sibling reminds me of watermelon juice. It’s a pinkish red. I’ve done a back-to-back review of both and frankly I don’t see much of a difference between them other than Artsy is slightly darker. The ink is nothing like Noodler's Fox Red, that I reviewed recently. Frankly it's an underwhelming ink. However, if you need a good waterproof ink for editing it's a decent. Let's start with the chroma: Writing samples: I realized in retrospect, that I don't have a fine Kaweco, so the fine is Medium, Medium is B and B is double broad. My apologies Poem is Adrift by Mark Nepo. Minimal ghosting on Hammermill. Photo: You see the real colour. The more absorbent the colour the paler the ink. Comparison: Artist seems slightly darker. Watertest As usual as artwork, entitled: Dreaming of watermelon in a heat wave, it was inspired by @LizEF Colorverse Redwood forrest review. Inks used: Green: R&K Alt-Goldgrün Orange: Noodler's Apache sunset I mixed the orange / green at the the horizon level Black: Pentel Brush pen Red: De Atramentis Document Red Bright green: Pastel Spade and heart... Pentel Brush nib /Document Red · Pens used: Pilot Kakuna Ef/Stub Kaweco (EF/M/B/BB), Kanwrite Ultraflex · What I liked: Teaching me to write with a feather hand · What I did not like: Not lubricated, palish red · What some might not like: Dry, the colour, daytimes. · Shading: None. · Ghosting: Faint on copy paper. · Bleed through: None · Flow Rate: Alright. · Lubrication: It won’t make your scratchy nib glide. · Nib Dry-out: No. · Start-up: No. · Saturation: Nope. · Shading Potential: Dismal · Sheen: None · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: None. · Nib Creep / “Crud”: A bit · Staining (pen): No. · Clogging: No. · Cleaning: Normal. Like most pigment inks the more it stays in the pne the more you need to soak. But I didn’t need to use pen flush. · Water resistance: Excellent. · Availability: 45 ml bottles. Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier
  7. Rohrer & Klingner Dokumentus Ink - Braun This ink is one of the best, permanent inks I’ve ever used. It has wonderful low dry time, below 30s with broad nib on all paper. It’s a joy to write or sketch with. It is the epitome of German efficiency. It works, it’s solid and it’s simple. There’s nothing “sexy” about this ink, it hasn’t got a complex chroma or an unusual name. For simplicity’s sake, I limited my testing to two pen, and avoided flex and fude nibs. Writing samples: A full written page with a broad nib, might have a hint of green, or a lovely grey haze, depending on the light. As a sketch ink, it looks almost black, especially on absorbent paper, as you can see on this sketch: Paper is Fabriano Sketch - Very absorbent paper. Cat at the therapist Cat: I identify as I dog. But the dogs don't like me. Dr. Mouse: As long as you don't identify as a cat, I'm fine with that Watertest: I cut the paper into two. The left side was held under running water for 10 seconds. Comparaison · Pens used: Pilot Elite (Ef/Stub) Lamy Safari (Ef/F/M/B) · What I liked: Well lubricated, classy, fast dry times, lovely in all pens. · What I did not like: Nothing. · What some might not like: Price – Lack of shading. · Shading: None. · Ghosting: Faint · Bleed through: None · Flow Rate: Wet · Lubrication: Excellent · Nib Dry-out: None. · Start-up: None · Saturation: Dark · Shading Potential: None. · Sheen: None. · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: None · Nib Creep / “Crud”: Nope. · Staining (pen): No. · Clogging: No. · Cleaning: · Water resistance: Excellent · Availability: 50 ml bottles Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier
  8. De Atramentis – Document Dark red Delightful pigment ink, well behaved by De Atramentis. A pleasure to write or sketch with, compared to the disastrous Cyan and Turquoise inks, I reviewed recently. I honestly don’t see much difference between this or De Atramentis Artist Dark Red. They’re quite similar. Document is supposedly slightly more “archival”. All Document and Artist inks can be mixed. Lets start with the chroma: Writing samples: Photo Watertest: Left side was held under running water for 10 minutes. Comparaison: Comparison with De Atramentis Artist Dark Red: I didn't test it with Stub, flex or fude nibs, but you can get a general idea from the De Aramentis Artist ink review. And finally a sketch. My model, who is quite fidgety was for once rolled in her basket. Paper is Fabriano Sketch book, a very absorbent paper. · Pens used: Pilot Elite (Ef) Lamy Safari (Ef/F/M/B) · What I liked: Very well-behaved ink, unlike its blue siblings. If you’re looking for a nice dark red, this is a good one. Get a sample. · What I did not like: Nothing. · What some might not like: It’s a pigment ink. · Shading: Yes with some nib. · Ghosting: None. Possible on cheap papers. · Bleed through: None. Possible on cheap, absorbent papers. · Flow Rate: Excellent · Lubrication: Excellent · Nib Dry-out: None. · Start-up: None · Saturation: Dark · Shading Potential: None. · Sheen: None. · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: None · Nib Creep / “Crud”: Nope. · Staining (pen): No. · Clogging: No. · Cleaning: Easy. Like most pigment inks, if you have a well-sealed pen or using your pen regularly it should be fine. If you forget the ink in a pen, there’s no need to panic. An overnight soaking in water, and 15 minutes of soaking in cleaning solution will clean thefeed. · Water resistance: Excellent · Availability: 45 ml bottles. Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier
  9. This is the review of Document Turquoise, which will be soon followed by its Artist sibling. If you were to choose one for writing purposes, get a sample of this one. I am not enamoured by this ink. I don't know if it's the colour, or it's behaviour, or simply it's lack of character. Or maybe I'm inky saturated It is decent document ink, too wet with wet/wide nib combos. With fude (bent Chinese /Japanese nibs) it wrote like flip-flops on ice Ink won't work with cheap/absorbent paper and it will feather and fly away. Colour is slightly lighter than Artist Turquoise, and less wet. Document and Artist inks can be mixed, so they are perfect for Artists or those who like to mix their own inks. Document inks are slightly “more” archival than Artist inks, in my correspondence with De Atramentis. Chroma: Writing Samples Scan for Midori is too green. And a couple of photos of Midori: Comparison: Nothing did budge the ink under running water: I wasn't really inspired to do a sketch. This is done on a Canson watercolour paper. By wetting the paper with a brush adding ink, and removing extra colour with a paper towel.... · Pens used: Pilot Kakuno (Ef /Stub) Lamy Safari (Ef/F/M/B) / Jinaho 450 with an Ultraflex nib/ and fude nib · What I liked: Writing with a broad nib only. I was taking notes and had my pen uncapped for 5 minutes, no dry outs. Very fast dry time on coated paper, especially with Fine nibs. It’s good for dry pens. · What I did not like: Very wet, no character. · Shading: none · Ghosting: This ink is best for coated paper, with Ef – Broad nibs and dry pens. Don't use it with ebonite feed. · Bleed through: Same as above. · Flow Rate: Very wet · Lubrication: Excellent · Nib Dry-out: None. · Start-up: None. · Saturation: Eh · Shading Potential: None · Sheen: None. · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: With a primed nib, you can have some feathers, even on coated papers. · Nib Creep / “Crud”: No. · Staining (pen): It didn't stain my convertor. But I used it only for a week. · Clogging: No · Cleaning: It was fairly straightforward, like "normal" inks. However, long term I don't know. · Water resistance: Excellent · Availability: 45 ml bottles. Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier
  10. I am very happy with the qualities of my De Atramentis Document Black, which I keep loaded for writing checks and addressing envelopes and the like. It only has one flaw, which is that it is black, the world's most boring color of ink (medium blue being right behind it). What are some permanent inks which are well-behaved, safe to keep in a pen for a month, and are interesting colors?
  11. Is there an appropriate ink for signature of voluminous legal closing documents four or five times a month? Might anyone have suggestion(s)? Thank you. Kind regards, Paul
  12. Here's a great example of one of the few fountain pen friendly iron gall inks left on the market (RIP Montblanc Midnight Blue… ). It and R&K Salix are about even on like-o-meter, but I find myself preferring Registrar's Ink due to its darker final color. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/DZc31c.jpg
  13. Hello, Hoping there's someone who can advise! A vicar is looking for a fountain pen with a fine nib, that will be completely safe to use with his carbon document ink. Any ideas or suggestions would be really appreciated! Thank you in advance.
  14. Frank Savage

    Koh-I-Noor Document Ink Black

    Koh-I-Noor Hardtmuth is a famous manufacturer of (not only) writing, scribing and painting "tools" and accountrements of all kinds, with over 200 years of continuous history from former Austro-Hungarian Monarchy to current Czech Republic. Their sortiment is broad enoght to cover whole range from hardcore development engineers through different artists by trade to hobby pencil cartoonists. This company is the original, first succesfull creator of todays most simple and notorious writing instrument-a graphite pencil in a wooden stick. From the brief above is quite clear, that Koh-I-Noor is realy not specialized in inks. They have a basic, but usefull range of comon grade writing and india inks in several colours, but kind of "just by the way", they have in portfolio Koh-I-Noor Document Ink Black I can´t say what is it based, as this is kept secret as far as I know. It is not an iron-gal ink, it is not a graphite ink, no way it is a more stable breed of "coloured writing lotion". Probably it is one of the few formulas which work with chemical interaction with celulose in the paper. The colour is dark grey-black or black-grey with distinctive greenish hue, depending on paper and pen combo. It darkens over period of several minutes to several months into flat black with greenish hue.The more it darkens, the more it is resistant to any kind of wash-out. It is awarded ISO 14145-2 and BS 3484-2. The latter is a British norm for permanent record inks, and as the Brits are quite hardcore (another word would fit here better...) about what to consider "permanent record", it means quite a lot. I´m not sure how much pH neutral it is, but will update if I get the info. The ink is a bit more viscous than most others, but flows very well and have some lubricity. Basic Parker Quink feels like running water with no lubrication in compaison, from my point of view on distant memories-but keep in mind this is nib-affected feeling. The viscosity causes very little feathering, even on most low quality papers, but also makes fine nibs to produce M line on some quality papers due to surface tension effects. But the width of the line is consistant, no blots. Frankly, no blots at all, except some realy poor papers or papers of very fibrous nature with "open" surface (like kitchen towels...). Flows well, on some papers almost too fast for my taste, but still not like eg. Quink. Due to its nature, after about 15-30 seconds, depending on the nib, it tends to develop a bit of "skin" and makes the pen a false starter. If the nib has a "baby bottom" grind, it can be realy troublefull to start it again. From wet nibs on quality paper, it produces a realy deeply saturated line, embedded to rock bottom into the paper. From dry writers, it can be kind of greyish, but this realy does not alter the endurance of the line. There may be some trouble with drying up the nib in some F writers with smalish and/or fine compartmented feeds during prolonged period of fast writing. On most papers, is dry almost instantly (2-3 seconds). I posted some general info about torture tests I subjected this ink to, from 2008 to 2014. The post is in the Inky thoughts section, here: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/288624-koh-i-noor-document-fountain-pen-inks/page-2?do=findComment&comment=3723625 I must add, that the statement "does not clog the feeds" is OK, but after some testing, I´m sure I wil have to give a good bath to my pens, as the M nib Hero 100 writes dryer now than it should. Well, I used it very sparsely in the last 3 years, albeit it was freshly inked all the time. The abuse this ink can stand is simply unbelievable. The paper vanishes, the ink remains. No matter how do you make the paper to vanish. This says it all. Some people (with degrees in chemistry) claims that this ink is probably the most durable against sun fading ever created, if good, uncoated paper with low filler content is used. Here I will quote myself from the above linked post: Several weeks ago, a clipboard with a day worth of important notes (on poor copy paper, 80g/m2), already a bit soaked in the rain, faceplanted into soaked, liquid clay in a ditch. All was covered to no avail under ochroid mess. So I took it home in a plastic bag, washed the paper gently and recovered every bit of info I had written. This says a lot, when I add the paper was more yellowish-brown-ochroid than white as formerly was... The text was not affected at all. The pens used in the standard review sampler are both Hero 100 of 1950´s vintage, daily writers of my grandfather for some 2 decades, now exclusive daily writers of mine for 8 years. My granddad used them so much that a definitive facette has developed on both nibs, which gives a kind of italic accent to the line, as my writing angle is a bit different to grandpa´s-but close enought to apreciate how smooth gliding writers they are, especialy on vintage paper. The water test-I tried to lay down as rich line as I could, to promote the greenish hue which sometimes apears from this ink on some papers, without any shade of compromising readablitiy of the text. So I wrote about one letter in two seconds the top three lines, the bottom in just slow pace-as writing slow, I write even worse pattern than usualy. The test was performed for about 1 minute under hot running water (like 70°C), then soaking like 5 minutes in a bowl of that hot water and rubbing the bottom line with finger. The paper lost the top layers, is one fluffy spot there, but the text is still there. And by the way-there is no alteration to the text after two years maceration in much more agressive solutions than hot tap water... Generaly, I should apologize for the lack of penmanship screaming out of the paper, I used my pens not as frequently as I was used to in the last 3 years (gap in journaling etc.), no practice either... Also, the sampler was printed with a poor toner cartridge, so the thin grey lines are more nonexistant than anything else, so both samples are freehanded, more in a bit of hurry. The ink is availible in Czech Republic 50 ml plastic bottle for less than 1 EUR to 1,75 EUR equal, depending on greediness of the stationery clerk, or in a nice, simple glass bottle of 30g for 3,5 EUR. On other markets, the price is usualy similarly low, as far as I know. It is one of the cheapest inks I´ve ever seen, but of the most durable and bulletproof you can ever have. There is also a blue version on the market, which is not as much durable and was created, as far as I know-because of demand for "nice blue document ink, not that greyish feculence you sell". But there are traces of fading even after just 1/2 year on direct sunlight, which is nonexistant with the reviewed original black formula.





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