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  1. Ahh, I see. 🙂 I should have read your question more carefully! First, I included that grey card because if there's something on screen that people KNOW is neutral, then psychologically, they can make the adjustment and have a better perception of the ink's true color. Or at least, if it doesn't look neutral on their display, they know that they're not getting an accurate representation of the color, either. Most consumer monitors are not factory calibrated to an industry standard, and there's no way to match two monitors' colors from a single point of reference (a neutral grey).
  2. Sorry that I didn't see these questions earlier... apparently I need to update my notification settings here. Color calibration is a pretty big topic, and of course, it's pretty useless unless everyone involved has calibrated monitors so that they're all seeing the same end result. For the type of work that I do, I have to keep my monitor calibrated anyway. Anyway, there is a relatively simple process for getting accurate colors, but you can't do it with just a grey card. (A grey card will get your greys neutral at one particular tonal value (128,128,128, for example),
  3. cunim

    Scanner Recommendations?

    Color management can be simple (do a white balance on a camera), or complex (you don't want to know). Just what do you want to do with the scans? If you want to view them on your monitor with approximately the same colors as original, that's pretty simple. If you want to make prints that faithfully reproduce what your original piece of paper showed, that's more complex because you also have to calibrate the printer. Scanners can be just as accurate at color reproduction as cameras. Photo scanners usually have the ability to read a reference card with a whole range of known colo
  4. BaronWulfraed

    Matching Scans And Reality

    "Changing contrasts" is probably the last thing you want to do. If you are intent on accurate reproduction, you need to calibrate both the monitor and the scanner so that /they/ correct for imbalances in the lighting. Unfortunately, Monaco EZColor was discontinued decades ago. It provided functions for calibrating printer, scanner, and (rudimentary -- unless one purchased the $$$ hardware unit) monitor. One would print a special target file (note: one had to develop profiles for EACH paper used on the printer), attach a provided film target below it on the paper, then scan the print/film t
  5. I love your reviews! Thank you so much for making them! Especially enjoyable are those broad-nibbed sample writing pages at the bottom with the Lord of the Rings passages. I don't usually use such broad round-point nibs, but your printing style works very well with them and shows off inks in a flattering fashion. In terms of calibration, this is such a difficult topic I use a BenQ SW2700PT photography-oriented monitor with high gamut and built-in calibration software to use with a dedicated colorimeter. I too calibrate periodically, but still, there's never guarantee that our cameras a
  6. BaronWulfraed

    A Vey Handsome Custom Heritage 92 - Blue

    Off-hand, first comment would be to find out if you can calibrate the monitor https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/how-to-calibrate-your-monitor/ (Strange -- I don't have that three-bottle set; I have three other sets. Otherwise I'd have compared the photo to the actual bottles. Is it a fairly new ink-set, or did I miss a release some four years back?) On my monitor (Dell Ultrasharp Adobe RGB gamut for photo-editing, rather than consumer sRGB gamut) the pen image is, as described, a bright Sapphire blue, similar to the synthetic stone in my HS class ring. The ink bottles: Syo-ro shows a
  7. This has been a very interesting discussion to read! As someone who reviews inks, and uses 3-4ml per review, I thought I would share my process a bit to answer some questions. The first thing I do when I get a sample is ink up a pen to capacity-usually up to 1ml of ink depending on the pen. I will then use that pen daily for a month to get a good sense of how the ink behaves over time, including copying a full page of writing from whatever novel I'm currently copying (right now it's The Fellowship of the Ring). I say a month because the pen is usually empty by that time. Next I use about 1ml
  8. This looks like a fun topic. Been staying away from here, and just occasionally glancing at FB groups, in an effort to save money. It has sorta worked, but this month has been very inky anyway. > You mean there's COLORS???!?!?!?? I sorta started here with Sheaffer's (10 colors?) cartridges and don't think I ever left this stage. Peacock blue, a gray, and a burgundy were added to the line about when I started (late 80s?). I was in love with what happened when I ran out of green (the cartridge, not draining the feed) and then popped in the peacock, or vice versa. The French teacher rea
  9. Are you talking about colour of the text as rendered on your electronic display of choice (whether that's a monitor, a tablet device, or whatever), or colour of the text when you print the document out (even specifically on your choice of paper)? Changing the colour of the text on screen is easy; whether whichever RGB values you enter closely match your perception of how an ink looks on your choice of paper is a different issue. To get that awesomeness, you need to calibrate your monitor for colour rendition, as well as obtain RGB values for what you deem to be a representative sample of yo
  10. There are currently (August 2013) one hundred colours available in the standard series from Diamine. Below I have written one line with each colour first on low-absorbent paper (Rhodia No 18 dotpad) and second on normal absorbent paper (our corporate printer’s stock “cartridge” paper). All lines are written with a medium Lamy Z50 nib on a Lamy Safari pen. Apologies for the corporate branding: I do not have blank cartridge stock paper. I hope it does not distract too much from the inks. If you want to calibrate your monitor, the blue and orange colours in the logo are Pantone Blue 072 and Pan
  11. Sandy1

    Rohrer & Klingner - Scabiosa

    Kindly adjust the brightness & contrast of your monitor to accurately depict this Gray Scale. As the patches are neutral gray, the colour on your monitor should also be neutral. Calibrate Mac http://www.wikihow.com/Calibrate-Your-Monitor Figure 1. Gray Scale. http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/INK576.jpg Figure 2. Paper: HPJ1124 Laser Copy. Swabs: Waterman Florida Blue. R&K Scabiosa. http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/Ink%20Review%20-%20R_K%20Scabiosa/INK663.jpg NIB-ism LINK Depicts relative nib width and wetness. W
  12. pararis

    How To Get Picture True To Colour Of Ink.

    You first get yourself a camera with a true 16-bit color sensor. Then you process in a ProPhoto RGB color space on a high-end fully calibrated monitor. Then you post it on the internet and go around and color calibrate every screen that views it. That's a start anyway! My point is that it's not going to be possible to get true color reproduction on an image you're viewing on a screen. Only your eyes are going to see the true color you're seeing. Everything else is going to be an approximation.
  13. Sandy1

    Monteverde - Orange

    Please take a moment to adjust your gear to accurately depict the Gray Scale below. As the patches are neutral gray, that is what you should see. Mac http://www.wikihow.com/Calibrate-Your-Monitor Wintel PC http://www.calibrize.com/Gray Scale. http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/INK576.jpg ~|~I~|~ Ink Review - Monteverde Orange in cartridges. Figure 1. Swabs Paper: HPJ1124. http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Ink%20Review%20-%20Monteverde%20Orange/INK069.jpg Figure 2. NIB-ism ✑ Paper: HPJ1124. Depicts nibs' line-width
  14. Then may I suggest you calibrate your monitor in addition to adding an 11 step gray scale to the review
  15. webgeckos

    Sailor Maruzen Nihombashi Akane

    Yes sorta. I can color correct my images and scans ... but the corrections are adjusted to MY monitor which I am correcting them on, not some universal generic RGB configuration. And there there is SD and HD, and even the material cabling is made of will impact quality, as will if something is shielded or not (bother network and HDMI/RGB cables.) Go to a big box store. Go to the TVs. You'll see all of the tvs are slightly different. Go look at computer monitor section. Pay attention to the reds. All slightly different. About the only thing YOU can do is order a color correcting set for bot
  16. Sandy1

    Diamine - Twilight Blue

    Please take a moment to adjust the brightness & contrast of your monitor to accurately depict this Gray Scale. As the patches are neutral gray, their colour on your monitor should also be neutral gray. Mac LINK WikiLINK http://www.wikihow.com/Calibrate-Your-Monitor Figure 1. Gray Scale. http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/INK576.jpg Figure 2. Swabs: Waterman Florida Blue. Diamine Twilight Blue. Swatch: Drawn with the Pelikan + 1.0. Paper: HPJ1124 24 lb. Laser Copy. http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/Ink%20Review%20-%20Diamine%
  17. You may also find it helpful to calibrate your scanner and monitor. In this way you can have confidence that what you post is accurate. Of course including a reference in the review, as you mentioned and as Sandy1 does for example, is very helpful.
  18. Scanners vs cameras is a "thing" in the art documentation community. Countless threads on the topic. Answer is that both technologies are used. Complicating factor is that some cameras (linear array) are actually scanners - though array scanning cameras are pretty rare these days. Anyway, a pro-quality system of either type will set you back tens of thousands and is totally unnecessary for ink reproduction. Just pointing out that there is no single answer. Scanners tend to have advantages when images contain both very dark and very light material - never mind why. Hmmm, sounds like ink
  19. dcwaites

    Ink Reviews - Accurate Colour

    The first problem is getting a consistent ink line down on paper. Different pens will put more or less ink down on the paper, so a review by one person will show the ink colour a little differently from a review of the same ink by a different person/pen. Second, different papers will show the same ink differently, even from the same pen. The only consistent way to display an ink so others can get a a reasonably accurate idea of what it looks like is to include a commonly available ink that is similar to what you are displaying, such as Waterman Serenity or Sheaffer Skrip Blue if you are revi
  20. I've read about the sludge issue with mixing "incompatible" inks, but from what little I've heard this is usually obvious right away rather than something that occurs slowly after you put the ink in a pen. Of course this is just what I've heard and I don't know how much experience it's based on but it has to be based on more experience than I have Also I had guessed that certain inks/dyes were probably "stronger" than others which is what I was trying to say in the following extremely cryptic sentence: "From a little messing around it sort of looks like there's a nonlinear relationship bet
  21. fireant

    Bungbox Sweet Potato Purple

    Thank you! On my monitor they still look close-maybe it's time to re calibrate my monitor. I appreciate you posting this! ETA ok after calibration I can see a tiny slight difference but it's pretty subtle.
  22. THRobinson

    Red Ink - Noodler's

    Red Dragon did seem dark, but, wanted to try that brand and Matador was unavailable, and Red Dragon still looked nicer than Eel Rattler... since ordering up from the USA to Canada, I didn't want to order anything less than 6 samples. Not worth it otherwise when you factor in shipping and exchange. Colour calibrated monitors is half the battle for seeing stuff online. That's why I was trying to (in another thread) get people to understand the importance of setting white balance with a grey card vs 'eyeballing it' with their monitor. It's not 100% accurate, but a grey card would calibrate the
  23. The other "problem" with online purchasing, is color. 99% of the monitors will not show the pens color correctly. Some times close, some times WAY OFF. This is because most monitors are not color calibrated. Not to mention the issues with color balance of the light that the pen is shot under. Some shops do a better job with their photos than others. The viewing light (intensity and color balance) will also affect how the pen looks when in your hand. So a pen that looks one color on the monitor, may look a different color with the pen in your hand. Some times color makes a difference, other ti
  24. AllenG

    Problem Uploading Ink Writing Samples

    I'm a photographer by trade. Art photography feeds my soul, but product photography feeds my belly. A lot of my commercial work is shooting catalogs for boutique clothing retailers. You want the colors to be right because a customer doesn't want to buy a blue dress and end up with a purple one. I've gone through the expensive color calibration software, and the monitor software, all that--my eyes glaze over. If you have a program to calibrate the white balance on your monitor, run that. Scan/photograph something white. Tweak the color levels and hue of that image until the white looks
  25. winsonli

    Color Calibrating Experiment

    Hello. I'm currently thinking of building an online ink database. The ink reviews on FPN are very informative but there is one technical limitation with ink scans. Our monitors show colors differently. To solve this problem, I'm experimenting with a method to calibrate colors of images. My idea is to let users calibrate colors (in a webpage, not the system/monitor color) to a standard item which everyone has. Bank notes should be the best item for this task. However, as I am in Hong Kong I can not easily get hold of foreign currencies so help would be appreciated. I would like to ask fo

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