Parker 51 Nassua Green: Remake?

[joss]

After selling his own productions of the Parker Duofold Mandarin Yellow Jr and Sr and of the Parker 51 Vacumatic Buckskin Beige, it is the first time I see this seller selling a Parker 51 Vacumatic in Nassua (!) green.

 

Link to pen is here and link to seller is here

 

There was already a discussion elsewhere on this network on whether these remakes can be regarded as forgeries, that is if the seller does not clearly state that these pens are newly made and not vintage. This seller states in the description of the auction that "My beautiful original pen comes up for auction. Doing the work all of my fountain pen, very good condition". It is not clear to me whether this statement is sufficient to recognize that this pen is a remake and not vintage. Also, remakes do not need to have fake imprints dating them to the 1940s.

 

It will be only a matter of time before these forgery pens will be diluted into the bulk of the real vintage versions of these pens and that is a pity.

 

It might be an interesting topic to compare in detail the real and false pens to help us differentiating them. There were already comments made on the imprint which is laser-made and too sharp on these Asian remakes compared to the heat-stamped imprint on the vintage specimens of these pens.

 

So when searching for that well kept Duofold Mandarin yellow, stop looking for the perfectly kept one: it is better to search for a specimen with a few nice hairline cracks as that proves its vintage nature...

Edited March 14, 2012 by joris

[Rockyrod]

The green in this pen is not the same as nassau green. This is more like a hunter green which is darker than nassau.

[Mhawke7894]

This is a real novice question, but how do you know for sure its a reproduction?

[OldGriz]

This is a real novice question, but how do you know for sure its a reproduction?

 

David Nishimura has spoken about this seller and his phony reproductions here and on another pen website...

He apparently has personal knowledge of the seller and producer of these pens...

He says they are definitely phony pens and with his experience and background I am not going to argue with him

[Procyon]

His pens appear to be a mix of authentic parts with new ones that he has manufactured. As mentioned above, the green here looks like it is too dark for Nassau green, but that could just be a lighting problem. He sold a Nassau green pen at least once before, because I remember his spelling of "Nassua".

 

Too bad he doesn't just make Fantasy pens, in an honest manner, like Ariel Kullock. He seems to be pretty skilled, and could probably do well.

Edited March 14, 2012 by Procyon

[ANM]

This pen is a vacuum filler. If I recall correctly, Nassau green was the only green 51 made by Parker that was a vacuum filler, so if the color isn't correct, it must be fake. Right? Did Parker ever make a Hunter green pen?

Edited March 14, 2012 by ANM

[FarmBoy]

This is a real novice question, but how do you know for sure its a reproduction?

There is a key flaw in the pen. I see no reason to to tell the seller what is wrong, he may correct it.

[George]

Looks like he already found out the flaw...

 

George

[Procyon]

This pen is a vacuum filler. If I recall correctly, Nassau green was the only green 51 made by Parker that was a vacuum filler, so if the color isn't correct, it must be fake. Right? Did Parker ever make a Hunter green pen?

 

 

They made an aerometric filler in Forest Green, which is essentially Hunter green. The 51's colors are tricky to photograph, however, and the colors can look radically different if the camera's color balance is off. The first 51 set I purchased was called Teal Blue by the seller, and the photos looked like it. When I got the set, it was Navy Gray.

[stedders]

I bought a Nassau 51 from this seller only a few weeks ago - and had no idea whatsoever that it is a remake until seeing this thread.

 

This was my second Nassau - and the colour is almost identical to the first, bought a fair few years ago.

 

Certainly, the colour is nothing like my Forest Green aeros, of which I have two.

 

I will try and find time to post some comparative photos tomorrow.

[livesinjanesville]

This is a real novice question, but how do you know for sure its a reproduction?

 

David Nishimura has spoken about this seller and his phony reproductions here and on another pen website...

He apparently has personal knowledge of the seller and producer of these pens...

He says they are definitely phony pens and with his experience and background I am not going to argue with him

Thanks for the valuable info.I have tracked and bid on a few of his(or hers) nice looking pens.NOW I know why!David's and all of yours expert info is a great help to bidders and buyers that are all to eager to get a "deal".His pens just didn't look right(a nice matte or dull surface finish).

Thanks to all.Much appreciated!