Comparison : Herbin Eclat De Saphir :: Pelikan 4001 Royal Blue

[Sandy1]

Please take a moment to adjust the brightness & contrast of your monitor to accurately depict this Gray Scale.

As the patches are neutral gray, their colour on your monitor should also be neutral gray.

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Figure 1. Gray Scale.

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Figure 2. Swabs

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Herbin Eclat de Saphir x3

Pelikan Royal Blue x3

Herbin Eclat de Saphir x2

Pelikan Royal Blue x2

Herbin Eclat de Saphir x1

Pelikan Royal Blue x1

 

Figure 3. Other Stuff

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• Left Side: Herbin Eclat de Saphir
• Right Side: Pelikan Royal Blue

Written Samples - Moby Dick

 

Figure 4. Written Samples on Rhodia

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• Left Side. Herbin Eclat de Saphir: Nine lines from the M200+EF; then ten lines from the 330+M; then ten lines from the Safari+1.1i .
• Right Side. Pelikan Royal Blue: Nine lines from the M200+EF; then ten lines from the 330+M; then ten lines from the Safari+1.1i .

Figure 5. Written Samples on HPJ1124

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• 1st Line: Herbin Eclat de Saphir: from the 330+M
• 2nd Line: Pelikan Royal Blue from the 330+M
• 3rd Line: Herbin Eclat de Saphir: from the Safari+1.1i
• 4th Line: Pelikan Royal Blue from the Safari+1.1i

 

High Resolution Scans

 

As I do not wish to have the sobriquet 'Queen of the Bandwidth Bandits', these are Links only.

• Herbin Eclat de Saphir from 330+M on Rhodia. My link
• Pelikan Royal Blue from 330+M on Rhodia. My link
• Herbin Eclat de Saphir from Safari+1.1i on Rhodia. My link
• Pelikan Royal Blue from Safari+1.1i on Rhodia. My link
• Herbin Eclat de Saphir and Pelikan Royal Blue from 330+M on HPJ1124. My link
• Herbin Eclat de Saphir and Pelikan Royal Blue from Safari+1.1i on HPJ1124. My link

Observations:

 

• These are the things which are not apparent from the Images.
• These observations may differ ever so slightly from the Ink Review/s that may be in place.
• My contribution was to generate enough reasonable samples, then capture the appearance of those samples.
• If you'd like more detailed information, please send me a PM; I'll do what I can. (Within reason - you naughty FPN boys).
• I leave it to each viewer to interpret what is seen, and/or to initiate discussion in the usual way.

Type:

• Both are dye-based FP inks.

Flow Rate:

• Both inks are OK.
• Herbin Eclat de Saphir is considerably greater.

Nib Dry-out:

• Both inks are OK.

Start-up:

• Both inks are OK.

Lubrication:

• Both inks are OK.
• Herbin Eclat de Saphir is barely acceptable.
• Pelikan Royal Blue is significantly greater.

Nib Creeping:

• None for both inks.

Staining:

• None after 3 days for both inks.

Clogging:

• Not seen for both inks.

Bleed Through:

• None on papers used for both inks.

Show Through:

• None on papers used for both inks.
• Both sides of the sheet may be used.

Clean-up:

• Both cleaned-up within a short time with plain water.

Densitometer Readings - From the Ink Reviews. (FWIW)

 

• Herbin Eclat de Saphir:
  • Red 112
  • Grn 125
  • Blu 240
  • Lum 145

  [*]Pelikan Royal Blue:

  • Red 117
  • Grn 135
  • Blu 131
  • Lum 150

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MATERIEL

 

Paper:

• Written Samples:
  • Rhodia
  • HPJ1124
  • Glossy card

  [*]Other:

  • Glossy paper
  • HPJ1124
  • Royal - 25% cotton rag

Pens:

• Pelikan M200 + M200-series g-p steel EF
• Sheaffer 330 + steel M
• Lamy Pink Safari + a rather wet steel 1.1i

IMAGES:

• Scans were made on an Epson V600 scanner; factory defaults were accepted.
• Figures shown were scanned at 96 dpi & 24 bit colour.
• Images linked were scanned at 300 dpi & 24 bit colour.
• Scans went straight to the file sharing thingy.

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[Sandy1]

INK REVIEWS :

• Herbin Eclat de Saphir Ink Link
• Pelikan 4001 Royal Blue Ink Link

[Lloyd]

Aside from the densitometer values, they look VERY similar on my screen. What about in person? Do you think a (non-obsessed) FP user needs both?

[Sandy1]

Aside from the densitometer values, they look VERY similar on my screen. What about in person? Do you think a (non-obsessed) FP user needs both?

Hi,

 

These two inks are quite different, both in person and on the two of my monitors. I like to think that one has calibrated, yes?

 

The EdS is far more animated, with a certain 'pop' - not quite a 'snap'. (oh oh, I'm describing inks in terms usually reserved for sounds!)

 

I typified PRB as pro forma, and stealth, and a yawn, and probably some other terms that are not meant to be derogatory - just a head-on observation, which is by its nature, subjective.

 

So the EdS claims the page far more readily than the PRB, which tends to settle back and relax - not so tightly wound at all.

 

Does one need both inks?

• Ah. Not so easy.
• I will say that the set of properties embodied in PRB make PBR 'a regular' in some ink arrays. I treat it as I would any washable Blue, but I very much like its ability to perform well on what I refer to as 'lowest bidder' paper. i.e. That a Co. or gov't or NGO would accept as their least expensive paper. (There's always something cheaper somewhere, but that's off my screen.)
• The EdS is ever so nice, but has the limiting factor of low lubrication, which to me degrades the writing experience. (So I'm picky and fussy and and and.) I rarely use EdS with a narrow nibbed pen, and textured papers are pretty much out of the picture with EdS. Once I've depleted my current bottle of EsS, I'll make a concerted effort to work with the PR Cosmic Cobalt as a replacement. And I will be the first to admit that by using an ink extensively, one does tend to get caught-up in its foibles. So perhaps a wee time apart - but that bottle of PRCC is quite large ... (EdS :: PRCC Ink Link )
• So in my world, its not as straightforward as just picking a colour, its the whole enchilada.

I hope I've addressed your concerns, even in my round-about way.

 

Cheers,

S1

Edited September 19, 2010 by Sandy1