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Pelikan M200 vs Reform 1745


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#1 Sallent

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 06:58

The Pelikan M200 and the Reform 1745

These two pens are without a doubt the best piston filler fountain pens that can be found for $60 USD or less!

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The Pelikan M200 is perhaps the best value for your money when it comes to pens under $100USD. These beauties, which can be found for as low as $60 USD, are well built and feature a super smooth Pelikan gold plated steel nib. The piston filler is super smooth and the pen holds a ton of ink.

The pen is well built and the quality is superb. The M200 is built like a battle tank and is more than capable of enduring any abuse any FP user can thriw at it and still look great for years. puddle.gif

The Reform 1745



If the M200 at $60 USD is too much money for you, then get yourself a nice Reform 1745. The Reform 1745 hasn't been made in more than 30 years, but are still widely available in mint condition for $10 USD or less. These little pens (and they are small) are excellent writers and at $10 USD they are the best bargain in the world of piston fillers.

Let's be honest, the M200 is a far better pen in terms of quality, size, etc. but for $10USD you'll be hard pressed to find a better pen than the Reform 1745, and certainly not one with a piston filler like this one.

The Reform 1745 holds tons of ink, has a beautiful nib with plenty of springiness, and is an absolute delight to write with. This pen would be excellent for any broke student who wants a nice FP.

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 17:53

Thanks for a very useful analysis.
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Posted 02 February 2009 - 14:46

What a nice and useful review! Is nice to see them side by side. Anybody knows how they compare in terms of ink capacity? The trim on the Reform is not comparable in quality to the Pelikan, but the rest of the pen......I just wish the nibs were wider!. Great pens not a doubt. Thanks for the review.

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 04:01

QUOTE (Ondina @ Feb 2 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What a nice and useful review! Is nice to see them side by side. Anybody knows how they compare in terms of ink capacity? The trim on the Reform is not comparable in quality to the Pelikan, but the rest of the pen......I just wish the nibs were wider!. Great pens not a doubt. Thanks for the review.


Although I have not done a test to determine the difference in ink supply, I am convinced that the M200 can hold more ink than the Reform.

Again, the M200 is a far better pen, but for $10 USD, the Reform offers great value and performance. But if you can afford to spend a little more, say around $60 USD, then the M200 is the clear winner.
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Posted 03 February 2009 - 09:39

I prefer the m200 (and the m150 too). Nicer nibs.

I found the 1745 a bit small, in particular, narrow.

THEN I tried it with the cap posted. Problem solved. Ridiculous value for a student that can cope with a pen that requires real ink... yikes.gif
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 15:42

I see several members on here saying they can get the M200 for 60 dollars. Please send me the location of such a wonderful buy! Ive been hesitating to buy one since the least expensive I have found is 80 dollars.
I liked the review and hope to be able to add to the list in the future.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 00:18

QUOTE (Vulcan1066 @ Feb 5 2009, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I see several members on here saying they can get the M200 for 60 dollars. Please send me the location of such a wonderful buy! Ive been hesitating to buy one since the least expensive I have found is 80 dollars.
I liked the review and hope to be able to add to the list in the future.

I just ordered one from http://www.richardspens.com/ for $55, although that's minus the nib (an extra $25, or more if you want a custom one). It works out to $80 total if you don't have a nib already, but I suspect that's the deal people are referring to.

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 18:31

I bought a box twenty four (that's 24) never-used 1745's on eBay a couple of months ago for — ready for this? — 19.90 euros, which comes out to $25 at today's awful exchange rates. (It would have been about $13-15 a few years ago). I gave several out to my writing students for Christmas gifts, but don't know if they're using them, since most are too young to know what fountains even look like.

I've found them surprisingly satisfactory. Stiff and unpromising at first, but very quickly broken in, flexible, and responsive. They also seem very handsome and well-made to me, and of course far better then the average affordable fountain pen bought new in a stationary shop. The aesthetic appeal is the classic early 20th century modernist ideal: "form follows function".

Although I found these on an English-language eBay site (don't recall if US or UK), the seller was German.

Changing the subject to Pelikans:

I've recently discovered that Pelikans can be found on the German eBay site at about half the cost, and in far greater abundance and variety. Everything is in German of course (open a Google Translate window before you start looking), and is usually intended for sale within Germany, so payment and shipping arrangements can be very problematic.(Direct deposits into the seller's bank account seems to be preferred, and in took me weeks to figure out how to do that through PayPal.) In rapid succession, I bought an old Pelikan 400 EF, an old red Pelikan Steno (the steel-nibbed stenographer's pen), and then another old 400, this time with a gold ST (stenography-style) nib. Prices in euros were about 40, 22, and 55 respectively. I haven't seen the red steno yet, but the other two are the pens of my dreams. I'm planning to write reviews one of these days.

Ten or fifteen years ago, I was looking for a new 120 (which I used to use at art school for drawing), found they're no longer available, and settled for a 200 (or maybe it was a 150), but it was just so-so, and not cheap compared to the far superior 120. (I soon lost it, but didn't miss it much.) I haven't been overly impressed by anything Pelikan is making these days. I test-drove some expensive models at a shop, and by comparison with Mont Blancs (in a fairly similar price range) they seemed uninteresting in feel and line quality. Perhaps they just needed breaking in, but one reviewer here compared old and new Pelikans to Ferraris and Cadillacs, or something along those lines. Until I tried out my new/old 400's in recent days, I really had no idea how great a pen could be. Maybe something comparable is currently available, but if so it would be probably cost about ten times as much. In fact, if I hadn't read about old Pelikan 400's and ST nibs on this site, I'd probably be 100% satisfied with my 1745's. Well, maybe just 90% satisfied, since they can't quite live up to my memories of the old Pelikan 120 — but the 120 was designed more for drawing than writing.7ba0_1.JPG

Edited by chelydra, 13 February 2009 - 20:51.


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Posted 13 February 2009 - 22:18

QUOTE (Ondina @ Feb 2 2009, 06:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What a nice and useful review! Is nice to see them side by side. Anybody knows how they compare in terms of ink capacity? The trim on the Reform is not comparable in quality to the Pelikan, but the rest of the pen......I just wish the nibs were wider!. Great pens not a doubt. Thanks for the review.


Yeah, I'd like at least the option of a wider nib on the 1745, too. Maybe I'll buy a second 1745 and try grinding it to a stub... hmm1.gif

Edited by Silvermink, 13 February 2009 - 22:18.

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 22:39

You could always get a couple of those Reform italic nibs that crop up for cheap around here... Smooth as other untipped italics- Lamy, Sheaffer etc.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 15:22

I have a Reform 1745,it skips a lot,is dry and above all have a bad ink flow,i must twist the piston every half page that i write.What i want is to buy a Pelikan that is approximately the same size like 1745.Which one is?Pel M300,M150,M200?And which one is much more sturdy,and a good ink capacity?
Thanks a lot and best regards!

Edited by MME, 18 March 2012 - 15:24.


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Posted 19 March 2012 - 00:46

I have a Reform 1745,it skips a lot,is dry and above all have a bad ink flow,i must twist the piston every half page that i write.What i want is to buy a Pelikan that is approximately the same size like 1745.Which one is?Pel M300,M150,M200?And which one is much more sturdy,and a good ink capacity?
Thanks a lot and best regards!


Next time, if you haven't done so before, when your ink runs out, before refilling, try giving it a thorough cleaning (more than) a few times with some strongish solvents... Plain water, soapy water, shampooey water, ... I even went to the extent of mixing in a little rubbing alcohol... Keep at it; see if it gets any better... It might not, but then again, it might.

I wish someone would do a remake of these pens (the Reform 1745). I really do like them a lot. :|
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 00:53

I noticed the Reform 1745's in the pictures above are blue-ish - does anyone know where I can find Reforms coloured this way? I'm only ever seeing the green ones!

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:24

I noticed the Reform 1745's in the pictures above are blue-ish - does anyone know where I can find Reforms coloured this way? I'm only ever seeing the green ones!


It's possibly just the lighting! I don't think I've ever heard of any variations on the Reform 1745 being made... Just the standard green and black model with the dual-toned gold and silver nib.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:07

I noticed the Reform 1745's in the pictures above are blue-ish - does anyone know where I can find Reforms coloured this way? I'm only ever seeing the green ones!


I used to be "Dr. Ozzie" and that Reform 1745 in the picture is my pen. I no longer have access to my old account since I lost the password and the email I used to open the account is no longer accessible to me...so this is my new account.

The Reform 1745 is standard green and black. Any difference in color was due to the cheap camera I was using at the time.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 21:21

Thanks for the clarification! I wish they made more colors, they're great pens.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 13:49

Reform 1745's will be a pen I must add to my parking lot of used pens to look for. Thanks for the post.
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 17:48

I found the Reform to be extremely scratchy and almost unusable. perhaps its what they say about Reforms being a QC lottery
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:37

Thank you!

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