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#21 chravagni

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 19:39

QUOTE (EventHorizon @ Dec 30 2008, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have this older Pelikano and must say that it will write at about any angle in a smooth manner. Since this is a school pen for beginners (as noted by the "A" on the nib) I would expect as much. I do love my LAMY's but they will not do this.


I love the old Pelikanos... I've got few of them, mostly with F or M nib. One of them is one of my workinghorses now, but I don't post the pic because after so many years of wild use doesn't look so good anymore :-)

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 00:47

My heart belongs to Peli!

I love pens that are comfy to write with. I even have one with an F nib, but it's red---I don't use red that often.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 01:56

well I got a pelikano jr as my first pen, simply because it <is> a student pen. I'm going to be using it as my everday pen until I find another one I like more. I like the wetness of it, and the simplicity(I don't like clips--they tend to break/bend on me) plus the short, fatness.
So I think...I chose the pelikano jr. was chosen more because it's a cheap, workhorse pen, and it seems that everyone and their mother has a lamy, and I dunno, it just didn't fit my personality.

#24 Sailor Kenshin

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 02:09

Mine either. I tried to like it, but couldn't.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 02:54

Sort of OT, but the Pelikano Jr qualifies as a oversize pen. The girth of the Jr's barrel is about the same as the MB 149, length is close too. Funny considering its moniker... smile.gif Shape reminds me of a Waterman's 56.
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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:41

QUOTE (chravagni @ Dec 30 2008, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (EventHorizon @ Dec 30 2008, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have this older Pelikano and must say that it will write at about any angle in a smooth manner. Since this is a school pen for beginners (as noted by the "A" on the nib) I would expect as much. I do love my LAMY's but they will not do this.


I love the old Pelikanos... I've got few of them, mostly with F or M nib. One of them is one of my workinghorses now, but I don't post the pic because after so many years of wild use doesn't look so good anymore :-)

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:57

Hi,

The Pelikano is made of polycarbonate, at least the new ones. The Lamy does have a lot more nib widths though, and the converter sits more securely in the section. The Pelikano converter connector is shorter and thinner than most, so a new converter must be used with it. (Converter seals stretch when they are used on other pens which have thicker connectors). I do like the translucent Pelikano colors though smile.gif Writing quality-wise, the Pelikano is wetter, but they both write equally well. The Pelikano A and L nibs are the best nibs of the bunch. They write at almost any angle smoothly, and I find that I don't have to retune them as much as the F and M nibs. (I ink and tune the nib of every pen I sell).

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 17:13

QUOTE (Sailor Kenshin @ Dec 30 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mine either. I tried to like it, but couldn't.

Yeah, it bothered me a little that the lamy's are kind of the hipster pens. Checking flickr, they seem to pop up everywhere. Their price also seems a wee bit inflated. I'd be cool with $20, $17, but $25? no thanks. maybe I'll find a deal on ebay one day and I'll finally try it(like I did with moleskine, though so far, I'm disappointed in the little black notebook).
If anything, when something bcomes popular it makes me less likely to jump on the bandwagon and then be enthusiastic about it. Like moleskines. I wouldn't mind the flaws so much if it wasn't touted as such a perfect notebook.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 17:23

Personally, as a practical matter.............

Pelikano uses the International cartridge, which is available locally.

Safari uses the Lamy proprietary cartridge, which is not.
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Posted 31 December 2008 - 18:56

Even the short carts work in a Peli when you put them back-to-back.

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 21:33

the more i read, the more i realize i need to buy a pretty expensive pen; as in, a week's wages and up (part time, min wage college worker, so thats not saying much). I may end up sticking to my Pilot Varsity, maybe a couple of Preppies sometime, and the Marvy "Le Pen" pen i have right now. I'm not even sure what to call it, it's the plastic-y felt-tip-style kind. But despite more resistance than with a fountain pen, it's line's thinner, and it's more controllable. But then again, I need the lesser resistance of a FP; but not too smooth, I need the texture. Darn it, reading this forum has made me start to become picky; a week ago, even, I would have been happy with anything.

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 22:36

In that I'm from the silver dime era, and used real looking Parker type or them ugly pastel Esterbrook's/Wearevers..

I find the looks of the Pelikano for grade school, and the Safari for Jr. High students.

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 23:03

I've owned a Pelikano and used an Al-Star (metal Safari) for a bit. Hands down, the Pelikano. I find the section of the Al-Star very uncomfortable and the nib is dry.

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 23:45

It's not a fair comparison!


Why don't you compare the Lami Safari against a Pelikan M200? It's a better comparison and the M200 would win hands down.



And exactly how would that be a fair comparison? Who would rate a $25 pen against a $100 Pen? With a difference in price like that one would certainly expect the M200 to not only win, but be 4 times better! To be perfectly honest, if we were comparing just the nibs, the Safari would win in most cases. I've yet to handle a Safari that didn't write beautifully out of the box, yet nearly every M200 nib I've used wasn't worth the metal it was stamped out of until a skilled nibmeister got hold of it.

The M200 is not a school pen, it's the bottom model in Pelikan's up-scale range. The Safari is Lamy's entry level school pen, as is the similarly-priced Pelikano.

So, in similar logic, how is it not a fair comparison when both the Safari and the Pelikano are their makers' entry level school pens and are priced very similarly? Just because Pelikan styled their school pen like a toy and Lamy employed the typical German attitude of "function dictates form" doesn't change the fact that they are both intended for the same market.

Don't think I'm taking Lamy's side over Pelikan's. As I've already stated, I wouldn't have another Pelikano because I think it looks like a toy, but on the other hand the Safari is near the top of my list of ugliest pens ever made and I wouldn't own another Safari (or Al-Star) either. In my opinion, the pocket clip looks like they forgot to design one and just stuck a paper clip on the cap at the last minute.
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Posted 16 March 2011 - 16:28

i think the look of pelikano jrs might also help you keep them - no one would take them, which sometimes happens. And at half the price, you can get 2 colors for a single safari!

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 17:18

I have both also - a few of both - two Lamy Safari and at least three Pelikanos. I bought a kit from eBay that allowed me to build 5 each of the Pelikanos,Pelikano Juniors, and the plasic Levels. In addition, it came with several sets of nibs and a nib changing tool.

In addition, I bought a Pelikano Steno - a very fine nib. I still have it, but I don't use it much - it's a bit scratchy.

I like them both - the Pelikano's are small and light and with a Fine nib and the Lamy's are larger, more stylishly designed and write consistently well.

I haven't tried all of the nibs I got with the kit - some are broad, some are marked "A" and I have no idea what that means and some are left handed. I am a lefty, but I have always written with a right handed nib in a fountain pen and don't see any reason to change. The nibs are divided up by pen type - Level, Pelikano and Pelikano Jr.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 17:41

I have a couple of AL-stars and a Pelikano, and on the balance I slightly prefer the Pelikano. It helps that mine has a really nice M nib that even has a little bit of line variation.

I think my Pelikano is more visually attractive, too - I have a transparent orange one with a metal cap. I'm big on the metal-cap-on-non-metal-body style, though.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 19:28

Had both, kept the Lamy. In a business environment, the Lamy looks more "professional" even if the Safari is a love or hate affair, either you are comfortable holding it exactly the way it wants to be hold, or it is a pain to write with. Luckily I am on the love side. The Pelikano was more forgiving.
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Posted 16 March 2011 - 21:01

I love the old Pelikanos... I've got few of them, mostly with F or M nib. One of them is one of my workinghorses now, but I don't post the pic because after so many years of wild use doesn't look so good anymore :-)


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I don't know why Pelikan ever changed the Pelikano to the toy-like thing it is now. The older Pelikanos were serious yet student-resistant pens. My cousins used them in Germany in elementary school, and I have two that I bought in a university book shop in Switzerland in 1989 and still use now, at work. Capped, they're a little longer than my 1990 model M200. Posted, they're the same length. They're about 10mm in diameter (vs. the M200's 12mm):

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 10:41

<!--quoteo(post=865320:date=Dec 30 2008, 02:46 PM:name=Dr Ozzie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dr Ozzie @ Dec 30 2008, 02:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=865320"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You can't be serious? Who would compare a school pen designed for 5th graders (the Pelikano) against an entry level pen designed for adults (the Lamy) <img src="http://www.fountainp...DIR#>/gaah.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":gaah:" border="0" alt="gaah.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

What makes you think the Safari wasn't designed for students? Here in Germany (and, I'm pretty certain, in several other European countries as well), schools are by far the most important market for fountain pens, at least in terms of the number of pens sold, and the Safari is one of the typical student pens. Lamy certainly aimed at the student market when they designed the Safari, and I'd be pretty confident in guessing that most Safaris actually end up in a student's hand.

Lamy's masterstroke was to design a pen that doesn't look out of place in any age group, from 5th grader to 12th grader to university students and working adults; and that has been essentially unchanged for 25 years.
Pelikan, OTOH, tries to target each age group individually with different designs: The Pelikano for the 5th graders, Style and Future for 8th graders, etc. I don't know how successful they are with that strategy, but looking at the number of short-lived pens for teenagers that Pelikan has tried over the years (Go, Level, Nature Pen, Culture Pen, Pen Collection, and I'm probably forgetting some), I have my doubts.

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That's comparing a €15 pen to a €60 pen. And I'm not quite sure about the result.


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