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How 'old' is 'Vintage' currently?
Posted 19 February 2006 - 02:01
Posted 19 February 2006 - 02:12
I like to think anything 40yrs or more... but what do I know... I'm OLD
A veteran is someone who wrote a blank check Made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in This country who no longer understand it.
Posted 19 February 2006 - 02:22
I think that vintage is in the 1950s back while old is 1960 onto 1980 then into modern.
As usuall, I again want to probe the 'obvious'. Given all the intersting talk here about 'vintage' pens: looking backward in time, when does the 'vintage' period start in generall/ for you/as commonly accepted/as bitterly disputed ? 80s, 70s, 60s, 50s, 40s?
That's my breakdown at least.
Edited by Tytyvyllus, 19 February 2006 - 02:22.
Posted 19 February 2006 - 02:37
Posted 19 February 2006 - 02:49
In general, vintage pens are pens that were made many years ago. Exactly how old a pen must be to qualify as "vintage" is a matter of opinion; for arbitrary reasons, I consider pens introduced before about 1960 to be vintage. The arbitrariness of this choice becomes clear if you observe that I consider all versions of the Parker "51" (except the modern 51 SE, which is a completely different pen) to be vintage even though the Mark III version wasn’t introduced until about 1969.
It is worth considering that, like wines, a given pen might be considered vintage, not because of its age, but because it is a notable pen, perhaps one of exceptional quality or one whose influence on the pen industry was of more than usual significance. A list of such pens might include the Parker 75, introduced in 1964, and the Sheaffer Connaisseur (aka the Levenger "Seas" series), introduced in 1985.
Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:49
Posted 19 February 2006 - 04:05
I, too, think of about 1960 as some kind of watershed. It would be reasonable to take the widespread use of reliable ball-points as marking a real era in the history of writing instruments, like the rise of quartz in the history of timekeepers.
to whom a "51" is definitely vintage, but a 75 not, though a fine and collectable pen
Posted 19 February 2006 - 19:43
Magnanimity & Pragmatism
Posted 19 February 2006 - 20:03
Posted 19 February 2006 - 20:59
Realistically, I'm tempted to draw a line around the introduction of cartridge fill pens. So, the Parker 51 and all Sheaffer touchdown and snorkel models would be considered vintage, and any cartridge pens introduced to replace them are modern. That would put the line at various places in the 60's
Posted 19 February 2006 - 21:05
Posted 19 February 2006 - 22:08
Gary: yes, will be interesting to hear what your book says.
Magnanimity & Pragmatism
Posted 20 February 2006 - 02:44
Oh, yes. But the most selfconsciously retro, IMO, are Waterman. The Phileas is quite jokingly a pastiche of pastness. BTW, one of my peeves is the fact that Waterman built a pen that is clearly an homage to the 100 Year Pen, and then named it for a dance from the wrong decade. It shouldn't be called the Charleston, but more like the Lindy Hop.
Would all this rating/classifiying of pens make models like the new Parker Duofold 'retro'?
Some of the MB LEs are based on earlier models, most notably the Hemingway.
All the best
Posted 20 February 2006 - 07:38
Posted 15 September 2007 - 08:36
Posted 15 September 2007 - 08:47
Or I would say about 40yrs for vintage.
Posted 15 September 2007 - 13:20
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Posted 15 September 2007 - 13:44
1950s - With the introduction of practical ballpoint pens.
- Whenever it was that converters & cartridges became the standard filling-systems for fountain pens (thus phasing out all the other kinds - Aerometric, button, lever etc).
If you asked me for a TIME PERIOD, I would have to say the 1950s or 60s. A lot of stuff changed after WWII.