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I'd like the Sailor Sapporo so much better if only....


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#1 biffybeans

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 15:50

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 16:27

Good blog.
Your sentiments echo that of many of us here that like PFs--greater ink capacity and a see-through window. Though
I'm still waiting on my 1st Sapporo(should be here later this week or next week),I expect that the nib will be all it's
said to be. I agree with you on the C/C filler;they're not big enough to hold a lot of ink. As to the piston-filler unit,
they've already put them on one of their LE models,the Realo(pronounced in japanese rhee-ah-rho),which they made
in 2006 and all are already sold.

BTW,it's good that you didn't get a Sapporo mini;they can only accommodate cartridges.

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 16:31

I was looking at the mini - cartridges only would have driven me crazy. I'd still like to try a 1911 some day, but I just don't want to have to buy one to try...

QUOTE (sumgaikid @ Sep 1 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good blog.
Your sentiments echo that of many of us here that like PFs--greater ink capacity and a see-through window. Though
I'm still waiting on my 1st Sapporo(should be here later this week or next week),I expect that the nib will be all it's
said to be. I agree with you on the C/C filler;they're not big enough to hold a lot of ink. As to the piston-filler unit,
they've already put them on one of their LE models,the Realo(pronounced in japanese rhee-ah-rho),which they made
in 2006 and all are already sold.

BTW,it's good that you didn't get a Sapporo mini;they can only accommodate cartridges.

John



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Posted 01 September 2008 - 16:58

Good observations, Steph. I am one of those people that actually likes CC as well as piston fillers - I actually don't mind running out of ink and changing it frequently. My Sapporo is an F nib, so the ink lasts a bit longer. And I'm fiddly, so I don't mind opening the pen up to see how much ink is left. I can see how others would not like it, though. I don't have the problem you mentioned about ink not flowing from the converter to the feed - that does happen with my Monteverde, but neither of the Sailors. I don't know why this would be.

I love your pictures! They turned out fabulously!

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 02:28

i was wondering how easily the sapporo body could be sealed and the whole pen filled with ink (aka eye dropper fill). it has worked with the platinum preppy pens with a bit of silicon grease, and i wonder how water tight the body of the sapporo is. food for thought.

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 03:23

QUOTE (politovski @ Sep 1 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i was wondering how easily the sapporo body could be sealed and the whole pen filled with ink (aka eye dropper fill). it has worked with the platinum preppy pens with a bit of silicon grease, and i wonder how water tight the body of the sapporo is. food for thought.


water-tightness isn't the issue. The pen has metal parts within the barrel and these parts would likely corrode if bathed in ink on a constant basis. In general, we don't "ED" a pen with metal bits inside. sad.gif

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 17:37

even with neutral pH ink like noodler's? i was under the impression that the acidity of most of the inks was the problem, and that a pH neutral ink would alleviate this...

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 19:09

I agree with most of your comments in the blog. I also prefer piston fillers with an ink window, but I have to ask.. didn't you understand this pen is a CC filler without an ink window prior to the purchase? I mean, it is what it is and always was. Maybe I read the review incorrectly, but it seemed you spent much of the focus on your disappointment that it's a CC filler.

The cartridge should not have that ink flow problematic behavior. Some have suggested a dab of silicone grease inside the converter can cure it. I haven't tried this approach personally as I have not encountered this problem, but it would be a very simple cure if it does work.

I'm waiting for the Pro Gear Ebonite Piston filler.. :-) I can dream!

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 19:51

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 20:05

Interesting article, Stephanie (fabulous photo!).

I have a Sailor... I guess it's a 1911, bought it on a visit to Tokyo so I had a variety of fine and extra-fine nibs from which to choose. (I got a really fine nib -- smooth and consistent. Really great pen.)

At first, reading your article, I thought that not being able to see the ink didn't bother me. I can barely gauge the ink level in my Pelikan M215 as it is (black ink, black body... well, I've got a dark blue in it now (takes pen out, looks at it, looks more closely, holds pen up to light source...) -- nope, can't tell. Must be full.), but I do remember the very slight sigh at having to unscrew the barrel to check the ink level. Yeah. You're right. An ink window would be better.

Most of my pens don't have ink windows. I tend to notice when I'm writing and the ink runs out....

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 21:13

embarrassed_smile.gif Yes, I knew it was a C/C filler. All my Safari's are C/C's I wanted the Sapporo because it was known as a super smooth writer. (Which it is.)

My disappointment is that it's a smooth writer/very well built pen that needs to be filled quite often. I have a M nib that writes wet in my Moleskine. I write for 10 pages and then the ink gets thin which makes me have to open the pen and turn the converter to get the ink flowing again. Maybe there was a bit of wishful thinking that the converter system would be better than in the Lamy's. Guess I was wrong. I'm going to try the carts for a while... see if they at least flow better. (Seem to so far...)

Or maybe someone might want to trade me for a F nib.....


QUOTE (Inkquest @ Sep 2 2008, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with most of your comments in the blog. I also prefer piston fillers with an ink window, but I have to ask.. didn't you understand this pen is a CC filler without an ink window prior to the purchase? I mean, it is what it is and always was. Maybe I read the review incorrectly, but it seemed you spent much of the focus on your disappointment that it's a CC filler.

The cartridge should not have that ink flow problematic behavior. Some have suggested a dab of silicone grease inside the converter can cure it. I haven't tried this approach personally as I have not encountered this problem, but it would be a very simple cure if it does work.

I'm waiting for the Pro Gear Ebonite Piston filler.. :-) I can dream!

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 22:03

QUOTE (biffybeans @ Sep 3 2008, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I write for 10 pages and then the ink gets thin which makes me have to open the pen and turn the converter to get the ink flowing again.


Is the ink finished when this happens, or are you just flooding the feed to get things moving again? This is sounding like a feed issue to me: my MB149 just had this very problem, and is with the pen doctor as I write.

If it's the same issue, try flushing it with a weak ammonia solution to get rid of any manufacturing oils in the feed. It's a new pen, so that could well be enough. If it doesn't work, you may need to give it back to Sailor for a few weeks, and get them to fix the problem.

Edited by troglokev, 02 September 2008 - 22:05.


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Posted 02 September 2008 - 22:04

QUOTE (biffybeans @ Sep 1 2008, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


you might try rinsing the converter out. I've been able to get a full fill of the pen.

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 22:47

QUOTE (biffybeans @ Sep 3 2008, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
embarrassed_smile.gif Yes, I knew it was a C/C filler. All my Safari's are C/C's I wanted the Sapporo because it was known as a super smooth writer. (Which it is.)

My disappointment is that it's a smooth writer/very well built pen that needs to be filled quite often. I have a M nib that writes wet in my Moleskine. I write for 10 pages and then the ink gets thin which makes me have to open the pen and turn the converter to get the ink flowing again. Maybe there was a bit of wishful thinking that the converter system would be better than in the Lamy's. Guess I was wrong. I'm going to try the carts for a while... see if they at least flow better. (Seem to so far...)

Or maybe someone might want to trade me for a F nib.....

...

As others have noted, the highlighted section is a bit concerning. You should not have to turn the converter to get the ink flowing. It should flow evenly from full to empty without problems. It seems to me that perhaps air is not getting back into the converter to replace the ink that is coming out. I would be looking to give your pen a good soak (overnight, perhaps) in 10% household ammonia in water, followed by many, many rinses in clean water.

As for the converter not holding enough ink... I have a Jinhao pen that is so wet that I can only get 3 - 4 pages out of a converter. If I used it a lot, then I would definitely be converting that pen to an eyedropper filler.


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Posted 02 September 2008 - 22:51

You know its curious to me why Sailor, or other brands for that matter, would not consider putting in a clear or colored piece as part of the barrel so one could simply look into the convertor to gauge ink supply. The closest I've seen is the Visconti Van Gogh with its translucent barrels that allow you to look into them, and even Pelikan's ancient P450 and Lamy's more recent Safari (with a cut out window) have this kind of feature. How hard can it be? Does one have to be a rocket scientist to consider the great benefit to mankind? Oh, the humanity.



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Posted 02 September 2008 - 23:40

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 2 2008, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know its curious to me why Sailor, or other brands for that matter, would not consider putting in a clear or colored piece as part of the barrel so one could simply look into the convertor to gauge ink supply. The closest I've seen is the Visconti Van Gogh with its translucent barrels that allow you to look into them, and even Pelikan's ancient P450 and Lamy's more recent Safari (with a cut out window) have this kind of feature. How hard can it be? Does one have to be a rocket scientist to consider the great benefit to mankind? Oh, the humanity.



The Pelikan M800 also has translucent body material but it comes down to style and aesthetics of the overall pen. There are lots of pens out there with windows and lots without. You just have to choose your preferences.

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 00:36

Interesting - because that's happened to me with most every one of my converter pens. In fact, I was just using the Sailor yesterday when it started to run thin again. I unscrew the pan to find about a quarter of an inch of ink at the top of the converter. A flick of the finger and I'm back in business. Pens are stored nib up.

I do try to carefully flush & soak my pens. (And converters)

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As others have noted, the highlighted section is a bit concerning. You should not have to turn the converter to get the ink flowing. It should flow evenly from full to empty without problems. It seems to me that perhaps air is not getting back into the converter to replace the ink that is coming out. I would be looking to give your pen a good soak (overnight, perhaps) in 10% household ammonia in water, followed by many, many rinses in clean water.

As for the converter not holding enough ink... I have a Jinhao pen that is so wet that I can only get 3 - 4 pages out of a converter. If I used it a lot, then I would definitely be converting that pen to an eyedropper filler.
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Posted 03 September 2008 - 00:38

Kurt - already tried that..... blink.gif


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you might try rinsing the converter out. I've been able to get a full fill of the pen.

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 00:53

Have you tried using cartridge? I've heard modern Japanese pens are designed to be used with cartridges as default. I don't know how much truth to it, but the lines or ridges inside the cartridges make difference in ink flow hmm1.gif

P.S. I would love to see your beautiful photo and nice review posted here directly smile.gif

Edited by Taki, 03 September 2008 - 00:54.


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Posted 03 September 2008 - 01:00

I refill carts. Which is more annoying - refilling a cart now and then or having to open the pen up and prime the *#(&*#&$ converter constantly? smile.gif

Besides, the carts generally hold more ink. Most carts aren't much less volume than an M200's tank. (not the small internationals obviously.)

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