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Waterman Aztec And Absolute Browns Reviews And Comparison

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#1 IThinkIHaveAProblem

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 15:44

I like vintage ink

I like the idea that ink that was made in the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s HAD TO WORK

It had to be relatively trouble free and it had to perform as expected. This was after all, a time when fountain pens were simply PENS. They were expected to write and write well.

On that note, I recently bought a bottle of Waterman's Aztec Brown.
The bottle is almost NOS. Using it, I found that I really like it. This is a problem as the stuff is getting expensive.
So, I decided to get a bottle of the current Absolute Brown and compare them to one another.

Here are the results:

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Waterman's Aztec Brown

2oz bottle, vintage (1940s-50s)
Bought on eBay Jun 2020
for $10 This brown leans
only a little red-ish
Ink has that vintage 
Waterman's smell (Phenol?)
Flows great, no surprise
there. No bleed or feathering 
except on the worst 
quality paper Good
shading + lots of vari-
ation depending on the
pen used.
 
(Dry Times)
 
Would
buy again?
Yes
 
Shading: Good/Medium
Saturation: Good/Medium
Feathering: Some/Low-ish
Spread: Low-Nil
Bleed: Low-Nil
Cleaning: Very Easy
 
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Waterman Absolute Brown
50ml bottle The Papery
Jun 2020. This is Waterman's
current brown formu-
lation. It used to be 
called Havana Brown
As a Waterman ink it
flows well and behaves
well. Like Aztec Brown 
there is a lot of difference
from pen to pen. It is
slightly redder + darker than
Aztec Brown. That may be 
due to Aztec's age.
 
(Dry Times)
 
Would 
Buy 
Again?
Yes!
 
Shading: Good/Medium
Saturation: Good/Medium
Feathering: Nil
Spread: Nil
Bleed: Nil
Cleaning: Easy
 
Notes: Good but
Slightly redder replacement
for Aztec Brown
 
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#2 ArchiMark

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 16:20

Thanks for this comparison. Very helpful!

 

Was not familiar with either of these inks. 

 

Like both from what I see.

 

Think I'll try the Absolute Brown.....

 

:)

 

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 16:48

I think I like the older one better.  Thanks for the comparison.



#4 IThinkIHaveAProblem

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 16:52

Thanks for this comparison. Very helpful!

 

Was not familiar with either of these inks. 

 

Like both from what I see.

 

Think I'll try the Absolute Brown.....

 

:)

 

Mark

You're welcome. It Is the cheaper and more widely available being that it is still in production :)

 

I think I like the older one better.  Thanks for the comparison.

You're welcome.

I think I like Aztec better too. But they are VERY VERY close in colour and performance. And Absolute being the current production ink is much cheaper and easier to get. If you look at the chromatography i suspect adding a teeny tiny bit of yellow to Absolute would probably help make it slightly less reddish and likely bring it in line with Aztec


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Posted 24 June 2020 - 17:33

Interesting, thank you!  I prefer the Aztec Brown, and based on those chromatography strips, it appears the vintage ink has better water resistance than the modern one.


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Posted 24 June 2020 - 17:50

Interesting, thank you!  I prefer the Aztec Brown, and based on those chromatography strips, it appears the vintage ink has better water resistance than the modern one.

you're welcome

 

Their water resistances are tested on the review pages as well. Frankly neither performed particularly well. But neither claims any water resistance.

In the end IMO they performed about the same, Aztec may have performed a tiny bit better


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Posted 24 June 2020 - 18:02

Great job, great review. I have my boring Polar Brown, so I'm not tempted anymore :)



#8 IThinkIHaveAProblem

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 18:10

Great job, great review. I have my boring Polar Brown, so I'm not tempted anymore :)

Thanks, glad you liked it :)


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Posted 24 June 2020 - 19:44

you're welcome

 

Their water resistances are tested on the review pages as well. Frankly neither performed particularly well. But neither claims any water resistance.

In the end IMO they performed about the same, Aztec may have performed a tiny bit better

 

I'm seeing a gray water-resistant line on Aztec's chromatography strip, but none noticeable with Absolute's.  Aztec's water resistance test also looks better than Absolute's on my screen based on the photographs.


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Posted 24 June 2020 - 19:48

I also like the vintage which is a good thing since there is already a bottle of it here. 



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Posted 24 June 2020 - 21:12

Nice! I've never considered vintage ink and pray all the gods they keep it that way, enough with the current ones! I've recently come into possession of R&K last "ink of the year": Kastanienbraun, and was slightly bummed out that it seem to lack the slight reddish tinge I had seen in the (few, admittedly) online reviews. Absolute brown is way too red though, so my preference goes with the Aztec one.



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Posted 24 June 2020 - 21:55

I'm seeing a gray water-resistant line on Aztec's chromatography strip, but none noticeable with Absolute's.  Aztec's water resistance test also looks better than Absolute's on my screen based on the photographs.

Totally agree. Youre not imagining things. What i meant is that functionally neither of them has any real water resistance compared to say Bad Blue Heron

Seems like Waterman should take note. People prefer Aztec over Absolute almost unanimously! (Not that i have any illusions that large corporations give two figs what we the little people think)

Edited by IThinkIHaveAProblem, 24 June 2020 - 21:57.

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Posted 25 June 2020 - 01:28

I have a bottle of Waterman brown that was previously known as Havana Brown.

Thank you for showing us that Aztec Brown. Just the label on the bottle shows the age.
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Posted 25 June 2020 - 05:29

I have a bottle of Waterman brown that was previously known as Havana Brown.

Thank you for showing us that Aztec Brown. Just the label on the bottle shows the age.

You're welcome. 

 

I have a bottle of Skrip vintage BB and a vintage bottle of MB Turquoise (the plastic triangle one) on the way

As well as a bottle of Jade Green Superchrome

 

That is if Pitney Bowes and Canada post ever do their freaking jobs and actually TRANSPORT packages...

 

Note to american "bay" sellers. The "international shipping program" is (bleep). it doubles the shipping costs, triples the shipping time, and adds NO extra security. International buyers will actively avoid your auctions unless the price is UNBELIEVABLY good because of this program. People who ship USPS? They get my business first if there is an option. 

ok, end rant.


Edited by IThinkIHaveAProblem, 25 June 2020 - 05:30.

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Posted 25 June 2020 - 15:17

It's awful when you look at a review and say, man I'd like to try that and realize it is vintage and out of production and kind of hard to find! lol


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#16 IThinkIHaveAProblem

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Posted 25 June 2020 - 15:54

It's awful when you look at a review and say, man I'd like to try that and realize it is vintage and out of production and kind of hard to find! lol

sorry!  :wub:


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Posted 02 July 2020 - 00:50

Have a bottle of Havana and have been quite happy with it.


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