Knock Out Nib And Feed On Modern Montblanc 149

[Glenn Atkins]

All,

 

How do I knock the nib and feed out on a modern Montblanc 149 after I have removed the nib collar from the section? Seems the nib is wider than the nib/feed sleeve and won't fit in a traditional round-holed knock out block.

 

I've seen on Youtube knock out blocks that look almost like a toothbrush stand that are cut out on about 1/3 of the opening like here https://youtu.be/PyUpjuMENAQ?t=123

 

Thanks for the input.

 

Glenn

[FredRydr]

I fit the assembly into the smallest hole that the nib passes through, press the assembly to one side with a finger while with the same hand hold the punch, then tap with a hammer held with the other hand. Thank you for the link (above).

[Michael R.]

+1

[Glenn Atkins]

Thank you gentlemen. Sometimes the obvious answer is the simplest one, but the simplest one is not always obvious.

 

Worked like a charm. Your're welcome on the video. A while back their was a video of a master working on a couple of vintage Montblancs that was quite good but I can't find it. He was struggling to get them apart without breaking them. Very interesting.

 

Thanks again.

 

Glenn

[FredRydr]

For those who haven't watched the video, here is a screenshot of what the maker of the video calls his "professional knockout block" with six holes open on one side, convenient for pens with nibs wider than their section units such as Montblanc149s.

 

 

Now you want one, no doubt.

Edited May 25, 2020 by FredRydr

[Ron Z]

I like, and use, the commonly available one like the ones pentooling sells, or one made out of a block of wood, because they are more stable. There is less chance of the knockout block shifting and the nib or feed being damaged. You want it tall enough that you can knock a long nib and feed out without it being driven into the top of your bench.

 

You don't need to buy one. Take a look at the cheap tools articles on my website. I still have the wood block i made 15 or 20 years ago.

[ljmudit]

Thank you gentlemen. Sometimes the obvious answer is the simplest one, but the simplest one is not always obvious.

 

Worked like a charm. Your're welcome on the video. A while back their was a video of a master working on a couple of vintage Montblancs that was quite good but I can't find it. He was struggling to get them apart without breaking them. Very interesting.

 

Thanks again.

 

Glenn

 

How did you push the nib & feed back into the feeder case/section?

 

I just knocked out the nib and feed out of the feeder case and aligned the nib from the base. But now I'm unable to push them back into the case. I checked the forums but couldn't find any technique to do so. Is there any special tool for it? I have the split ebonite feed.

[como]

Heat the collar/section well with a heat gun/hair dryer and try it again

 

How did you push the nib & feed back into the feeder case/section?

 

I just knocked out the nib and feed out of the feeder case and aligned the nib from the base. But now I'm unable to push them back into the case. I checked the forums but couldn't find any technique to do so. Is there any special tool for it? I have the split ebonite feed.

[Glenn Atkins]

 

How did you push the nib & feed back into the feeder case/section?

 

I just knocked out the nib and feed out of the feeder case and aligned the nib from the base. But now I'm unable to push them back into the case. I checked the forums but couldn't find any technique to do so. Is there any special tool for it? I have the split ebonite feed.

 

Mine went back in easily but I have the plastic feed.

 

Glenn

[hari317]

 

How did you push the nib & feed back into the feeder case/section?

 

I just knocked out the nib and feed out of the feeder case and aligned the nib from the base. But now I'm unable to push them back into the case. I checked the forums but couldn't find any technique to do so. Is there any special tool for it? I have the split ebonite feed.

Pls see post no 35 of the following thread.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/125061-lubing-the-piston-of-my-149/?p=1929619

 

HTH.

[ljmudit]

Heat the collar/section well with a heat gun/hair dryer and try it again

 

Pls see post no 35 of the following thread.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/125061-lubing-the-piston-of-my-149/?p=1929619

 

HTH.

 

Thank you so much for sharing these tips. However, after combining both the tips together, this is the maximum I'm able to push them in -

I know for sure that both : the 149 engraved on the nib and that mark on the feed at the back should not be visible. Can you please tell me where I'm going wrong with this? Unlike Pilot Custom 823 where there is a notch where the nib sits snug against the feed, there is no such support available here. So what I'm doing is taking reference from my other 149 and carefully holding nib and feed together (while simultaneously making sure not to misalign it again) and then pushing them down into the collar, against the two slits that are marked in the collar for the nib. No matter how much pressure I apply it doesn't budge.

[hari317]

Ok. Remove nib feed. Just insert the feed alone. Does it go in nice and smooth? Do likewise for the nib. It should sit nicely in the slot.

 

Reinserting nib feed is a matter of technique which you will acquire with practice. Tightness is a good thing for the nib and feed.

 

Was the feed fin already broken when you received the pen?

[ljmudit]

Ok. Remove nib feed. Just insert the feed alone. Does it go in nice and smooth? Do likewise for the nib. It should sit nicely in the slot.

 

Reinserting nib feed is a matter of technique which you will acquire with practice. Tightness is a good thing for the nib and feed.

 

Was the feed fin already broken when you received the pen?

 

Yes feed goes in smooth without nib. Same with nib without feed. Should I put them in the collar separately?

 

The feed fin was accidentally broken by me a couple of months back while trying to pull them out together . Later I found out that pulling them out works only with plastic feeds and not ebonite. Hurt me for many days. I then spent a lot of time learning from posts written here on FPN and then bought the collar removal tool and then knocked the nib and feed out.

[como]

ljmudit: Sorry to hear that you are having such difficulty. This happened to me too once, very frustrating. I even consulted with the talented Mr. Tom Westerich, who had put the nib and feed in for me at a pen show just a few days before. He assured me that they should go in easily. He was right: Either they go like the way you are having now, or all of a sudden you find the right angle or space, and they just go straight deep in without any issue, wicked! Be patient and persistent. Use a little water and dishwasher detergent to help as lubricant. Good luck again!

[hari317]

If you read the thread linked above, there is no need to separate the collar from the pen to knock the nib and feed out.

 

The nib and feed will go back in together.

 

Install the collar ( case feeder) on the pen but just dont seal it yet. Now you have greater control and better grip. Now reinsert the nib and feed. Hold them across the flats between your thumb and Forefinger.

 

 

Insert them half way. Then check alignment is ok.

 

Now push them all the way in making a v shaped pusher using your thumb and forefinger. You push the nib and feed shoulders. There should be no radial force, only axial force.

 

Pics show a Parker nib which was on my table but its the same for the MB. HTH.

[ljmudit]

If you read the thread linked above, there is no need to separate the collar from the pen to knock the nib and feed out.

 

The nib and feed will go back in together.

 

Install the collar ( case feeder) on the pen but just dont seal it yet. Now you have greater control and better grip. Now reinsert the nib and feed. Hold them across the flats between your thumb and Forefinger.

 

 

Insert them half way. Then check alignment is ok.

 

Now push them all the way in making a v shaped pusher using your thumb and forefinger. You push the nib and feed shoulders. There should be no radial force, only axial force.

 

Pics show a Parker nib which was on my table but its the same for the MB. HTH.

 

Thank you so much sir for guiding me by capturing these photos! I tried doing it again, this time on the pen. I used a drop of water to lubricate the insides of the case feeder and then mustered all strength I could and pushed them inside. But once again it stopped at exactly the same position as in the picture I shared above. Looks like there is something which I'm doing wrong

[hari317]

If you can send the pen to me, I can attempt.