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#21 Inked

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Posted 19 May 2020 - 18:00



This seems like a fun experience. I cannot read the label in your photo, unfortunately. The typography might help dating this old and beautiful bottle.

 

Hi OMASsimo

 

Here is a picture with a more straight on shot of the label........

 

fpn_1589911139__gutenberg_tank_1b.jpg

 

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Posted 19 May 2020 - 18:23

 

I think that is the shop of the Gutenberg Museum in Mainz. The ink they are selling is made by

 

GUTENBERG GmbH of Bergdorf near Hannover, who also made the shoe bottle in the OPs post.

 

"For over 80 years Läufer as well as Gutenberg, leading manufacturers and marketers of high quality products in the stationary trade."

 

They used to make Montblanc's inks but seem to have retreated now to a few basic school colours and a line of Notary inks. The colours are not very inspiring but, if it is still made in house, I would bet it is good quality ink.

 

Hello AidenMark

 

I have seen that before, the mention of Gutenberg making Montblanc ink. 

 

The bottle is very similar with a few brands of that "era," but I have never been able to actually see it in print. Just rumors.

Even their current bottle shares itself among other brands.

 

Perhaps they shared a common bottle maker, or both, bottle, and ink maker...... or they were both.

 

More mystery all laced up in a shoe bottle!

 

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Posted 21 May 2020 - 05:26

For those whose German is a little rusty, the label says:

 

Gutenberg Reservoir-Ink [G13]

Best Iron-Gall

always flows and

cleans the pen at the same time

due to "V.B.13"

 

(Tank-Tinte might be a trademark)

 

Which begs the question: does anyone know what "V.B.13" was? A wetting agent perhaps?


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Posted 22 May 2020 - 14:52

For those whose German is a little rusty, the label says:

 

Gutenberg Reservoir-Ink [G13]

Best Iron-Gall

always flows and

cleans the pen at the same time

due to "V.B.13"

 

(Tank-Tinte might be a trademark)

 

Which begs the question: does anyone know what "V.B.13" was? A wetting agent perhaps?

 

That is interesting because Montblanc makes the claim that their ink has a cleaner in it as well, which goes back to your previous statement that Gutenberg made ink for Montblanc.

 

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Posted 25 May 2020 - 14:47



 

Dear mana,

 

it seems... those are made for dip pens, but they have some inks for fp's with the classic Gutenberg logo: https://www.gutenber...nilintinte.html

 

You made me discover a new ig ink. Or is this relabled ESSRI?

https://www.gutenber...bibeltinte.html

 

Best wishes

Jens

 

The bottles in these links look very familiar........

 

fpn_1590417844__gutenberg_modern.jpg

 

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Posted 25 May 2020 - 22:36

 

Hi OMASsimo

 

Here is a picture with a more straight on shot of the label........

 

fpn_1589911139__gutenberg_tank_1b.jpg

 

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Thanks for posting this picture. Unfortunately, I’m not sure about the typography and bottle design. It could be anywhere between 1930s through 1950s. This type of bottle became popular in the 1930s and many companies used them. I doubt that the ink manufacturers produced those themselves. The industry was highly specialised and many parts were used by numerous different manufacturers. I’ve also read that Gutenberg made ink for Montblanc. But it could be also that they only shared the same producer of their bottles.

 

 I also found an article about the company’s history. It was founded in 1793 in Wiesbaden  by Joseph Carl Scholz and moved across the river to Mainz a little later (1829). The brand name was chosen deliberately to make reference to Johannes Gutenberg. They probably were most renowned for their sealing wax. Ink was a much later addition to their product portfolio. One of their most successful products was a “glue stick” used in every post office in Germany to attach the labels to parcels. They obviously found their niche in the stationary market.



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Posted 29 May 2020 - 14:59

Thanks for posting this picture. Unfortunately, I’m not sure about the typography and bottle design. It could be anywhere between 1930s through 1950s. This type of bottle became popular in the 1930s and many companies used them. I doubt that the ink manufacturers produced those themselves. The industry was highly specialised and many parts were used by numerous different manufacturers. I’ve also read that Gutenberg made ink for Montblanc. But it could be also that they only shared the same producer of their bottles.

 

 I also found an article about the company’s history. It was founded in 1793 in Wiesbaden  by Joseph Carl Scholz and moved across the river to Mainz a little later (1829). The brand name was chosen deliberately to make reference to Johannes Gutenberg. They probably were most renowned for their sealing wax. Ink was a much later addition to their product portfolio. One of their most successful products was a “glue stick” used in every post office in Germany to attach the labels to parcels. They obviously found their niche in the stationary market.

 

Hi OMASsimo

 

Yes I also found it very difficult to try and date it from the label.

 

There seems to be a collection of different periods of type-face, some that pre-date the bottle, and then some that are carried forward and found on future products. 

 

I think the bottle itself, is the best reference of time.

Based on the quality of the glass and cap, I think the early 1930's is fair.

 

Maybe the label was used on an old stock of bottles?

 

Thank you,

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Edited by Inked, 29 May 2020 - 15:02.







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