Jump to content

The Fountain Pen Network uses (functional) cookies. Read the FPN Privacy Policy for more info.  To remove this message, please click here to accept the use of cookies


Registration on the Fountain Pen Network

Dearest Visitor of the little Fountain Pen Nut house on the digital prairie,

Due to the enormous influx of spammers, it is no longer possible to handle valditions in the traditional way. For registrations we therefore kindly and respectfully request you to send an email with your request to our especially created email address. This email address is register at fountainpennetwork dot com. Please include your desired user name, and after validation we will send you a return email containing the validation key, normally wiithin a week.

Thank you very much in advance!
The FPN Admin Team






Photo

Pelikan Edelstein - Mandarin

pelikan edelstein mandarin orange

  • Please log in to reply
18 replies to this topic

#1 namrehsnoom

namrehsnoom

    Vintage

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 749 posts
  • Location:Leuven
  • Flag:

Posted 27 February 2020 - 20:20

Pelikan Edelstein Mandarin
 
 
fpn_1582833452__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
In 2011 Pelikan introduced the Edelstein series of high-end inks, available in a variety of colours. The theme of the Edelstein concept is the gemstone - each ink corresponds to the beautiful colour of a gem. The Edelstein line of inks is presented in 50 ml high-value bottles, that are truly beautiful, and worthy of a place on your desk.
 
 
fpn_1582833464__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
In this review I take a closer look at Mandarin, one of the standard inks in the Edelstein line-up. Mandarin is a very nice orange. It's a vibrant colour, but by no means exuberantly so... and it happens to be a superb shading ink! This ink is on the dry side, even for an Edelstein - a characteristic that I have noticed more often than not with inks of the yellow/orange complexion. As such, I preferred using this ink with a wet Pelikan. It's an ideal match for my M600 Vibrant Orange! 
 
 
fpn_1582833474__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
Mandarin leans heavily towards the yellow at the unsaturated end of its spectrum. In my opinion, much of the ink's shading appeal is due to the combination of yellow & orange that shows on the page. The chromatography clearly shows the yellow & orange components of this ink. From the bottom part of the chroma you can also see that there is zero water resistance... all the colour migrates away with the water.
 
 
fpn_1582833489__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
This orange Mandarin works really well as a writing ink that can handle all nib ranges without a problem. Even with fine nibs the saturation is ok, but keep in minds that it feels very dry with these nibs. With my Safari test pens, the writing experience was not nice when using the EF/F nib, but improved when moving to M and above territory. In all honesty, you should do yourself a favour and pair Mandarin with a wet pen. Much more joy! Shading is simply great, especially with broader nibs. I really like what I see, a pity about the dryness of this ink.
 
 
fpn_1582833528__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
To show you the impact of saturation on the ink's look & feel on paper, I made some scribbles where I really saturated portions of the Tomoe River paper with ink. This gives you a good idea of what the ink is capable of in terms of colour range. Mandarin moves from a faint yellow-orange to a dark almost red orange. A beautiful colour span, and one that shows great promise for drawing.
 
 
fpn_1582833502__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
Technically, the ink has its shortcomings: very dry, feels a bit unlubricated and has absolutely no water resistance. Drying times are quite short in the 5 to 10 second range with the Lamy Safari M-nib. Mandarin looks good with both white and more yellowish paper, but I personally prefer the way it looks on pure white paper. With the lesser-quality papers in my test set (Moleskine and printing paper), the ink showed some minor feathering and quite some show-through/bleed-through. The ink thus works best with wet pens and good quality paper. I love the way it looks in my Paperblanks journal.
 

I’ve tested the ink on a wide variety of paper - from crappy Moleskine to high-end Tomoe River. On every small band of paper I show you:

  • An ink swab, made with a cotton Q-tip
  • 1-2-3 pass swab, to show increasing saturation
  • An ink scribble made with a Lamy Safari M-nib fountain pen
  • The name of the paper used, written with a Lamy Safari B-nib
  • A small text sample, written with the Safari M-nib
  • Origin of the Terry Pratchett quote with my Pelikan M600 F-nib
  • Drying times of the ink on the paper (with the M-nib Safari)
 
 
fpn_1582833544__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
fpn_1582833558__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
fpn_1582833572__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
fpn_1582833584__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
Writing with different nib sizes
The picture below shows the effect of nib sizes on the writing. All samples were written with a Lamy Safari, which is typically a dry pen. I also added a visiting pen - my wet Pelikan M600 Vibrant Orange with an F-nib. My M600 was made for this ink - they make a great couple.
 
 
fpn_1582833612__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
Related inks
To show off related inks, I use my standard nine-grid format, with the currently reviewed ink at the center. It shows the name of related inks, a saturation sample, a 1-2-3 swab and a water resistance test - all in a very compact format. The grid makes it easy to compare the ink with its eight direct neighbours, which I hope will be useful to you.
 
 
fpn_1582833625__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
Inkxperiment – city sunset
With every review, I try to produce an interesting drawing using only the ink I'm working on. I simply love this part of the review, where I can experiment with the ink in a more artistic setting. Some inkxperiments are only so-so and others work great, but all of them were fun to do. From the saturation sample with its broad tonal range stretching from yellow- to red-orange, it was already clear that Mandarin would be a great drawing ink. I started with a 18x13 cm page of HP photo paper, and applied a wet paper towel with ink to create the textured background. Next I used a Q-tip and brush to paint in the city buildings, accentuating them with pure Mandarin applied with a glass dip pen. I finally added the setting sun, and some people on the streets. I quite like the end result... the yellow and red in this orange ink make for a very interesting mix of colour tones. 
 
fpn_1582833641__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
Conclusion
Pelikan Edelstein Mandarin is an ink with technical shortcomings, most obviously its dryness. But with wet pens and/or broader nibs these shortcoming quickly disappear, and you get a nice writing ink with really beautiful shading. I liked using the ink for personal journaling, and simply loved it for drawing. 
 
Technical test results on Rhodia N° 16 notepad paper, written with Lamy Safari, M-nib
 
fpn_1582833661__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
Back-side of writing samples on different paper types
 
fpn_1582833674__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
fpn_1582833743__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
fpn_1582833761__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
fpn_1582833774__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
From Idea to Drawing
This inkxperiment practically drew itself. It started with a very minimal concept drawing as the main idea. Next I decided to try a new technique for creating the painting's background. I took a sheet of HP photo paper, and covered it with a paper kitchen towel. I then wetted the towel, and painted some ink on top of it with a brush. The ink migrated through the towel to the underlying photo paper, creating some very interesting-looking textures. This is a technique that I will surely use in future inkxperiments!
 
fpn_1582833785__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand
 
I then used Mandarin with a few water/ink ratios, and drew in the city block with a Q-tip and brush, adding the accents with a glass pen dipped in the ink bottle. The sun and the people in the street were painted in with a brush, using ever more saturated ink. I was really impressed with this Edelstein ink... the colour range that Mandarin is capable of is really impressive. It moves effortlessly from a yellow to an almost red dark orange. Fantastic!
 


Sponsored Content

#2 yazeh

yazeh

    Extremely Rare

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 284 posts
  • Location:Montreal
  • Flag:

Posted 27 February 2020 - 21:13

What a complete review.....

Thanks...

I think I'll stick with my Apache Sunset  :)

 

I nearly had a heatstroke with your Inkxperiment. 

Now I need to get myself an ice cream or something...

Or maybe I just go out and shovel some snow, as we're in a middle of snow storm :lticaptd:



#3 inkstainedruth

inkstainedruth

    Ancient Artifact

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,803 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 27 February 2020 - 21:45

As usual, an extremely comprehensive review.  Thanks for doing this.  

Because it's orange, I can pass on it -- which means that my wallet thanks you as well.... B) 

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth


"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

#4 Eclipse157

Eclipse157

    Hoarder of ink

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 301 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 27 February 2020 - 21:49

Your reviews are such a pleasure to see and read! Thank you so much!



#5 Uncial

Uncial

    Donor Pen

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,359 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 27 February 2020 - 23:22

I think this is the third formulation which brings it back closer to the original formulation. I nabbed a bottle at the Pelikan hub and was glad I did. I had the former type and it was pretty terrible.

#6 lapis

lapis

    medium rare

  • FPN Super Moderators

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,513 posts
  • Location:West Berlin
  • Flag:

Posted 28 February 2020 - 13:32

Thanks for your extensive review as usual. Especially the comparisons are very valuable.


Life is too short to drink bad wine (Goethe)


#7 Mercian

Mercian

    Egregiously prolix

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 709 posts
  • Location:Poundland
  • Flag:

Posted 28 February 2020 - 14:42

Hitherto, every time I have looked at a review of Mandarin I’ve not cared about it.

This review, however, makes the ink seem eminently desirable.

 

As such I declare namrehsnoom to be a Wicked Enabler!  :P

 

Seriously though, thank you for your beautiful review :thumbup: 
Also, given Uncial’s comment that this is a reformulated version of the ink, please would you post the number that is underneath the barcode on your ink’s box?
If I buy a bottle of Mandarin I want to make sure that it’s the same stuff that you have!

 

[Edited for FFE.]


Edited by Mercian, 28 February 2020 - 14:43.

Foul in clear conditions, but handsome in the fog.

 

mini-postcard-exc.png
 


#8 como

como

    Collectors Item

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,005 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 28 February 2020 - 16:54

Thank you for the detailed review! I've had this ink for a couple of years. Originally bought it to try with my Delta Dolcevita with M nib. But in the end I always have to use it in a pen with very generous ink flow and rather broad nib. 



#9 5Cavaliers

5Cavaliers

    Ageless with time

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,300 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 29 February 2020 - 04:30

Excellent review as always.  You do make the ink look very nice. 

 

The funny thing is that I almost bought a bottle last night, but decided to wait.  Now that I see your review, I am so glad I waited.  This isn't the color I thought it would be.  


"Today will be gone in less than 24 hours.  When it is gone, it is gone.  Be wise, but enjoy!  - anonymous today

 

 

 


#10 PAKMAN

PAKMAN

    Say that again, I have a pen here somewhere...

  • FPN Super Moderators

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,658 posts
  • Location:Arkansas, USA
  • Flag:

Posted 29 February 2020 - 14:48

Good review! I just couldn't get to like this ink and gave mine away.


PAKMAN
 

minibanner.gif             fpn_1321906507__vanness_sign.jpg 

                  My Favorite Pen Restorer                            My favorite Brick and Mortar              

                                                                   now selling online!


#11 namrehsnoom

namrehsnoom

    Vintage

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 749 posts
  • Location:Leuven
  • Flag:

Posted 02 March 2020 - 18:28



Also, given Uncial’s comment that this is a reformulated version of the ink, please would you post the number that is underneath the barcode on your ink’s box?

If I buy a bottle of Mandarin I want to make sure that it’s the same stuff that you have!

 

Here is a pic of the barcode on the bottom of the box:

 

fpn_1583173660__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand



#12 Uncial

Uncial

    Donor Pen

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,359 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 02 March 2020 - 19:05

The barcode of the one I bought years ago that was an awful ink is exactly the same number as in the picture above; as is the latest bottle of Mandarin I have from a Pelikan hub. But that's to be expected, no? Barcodes are by product, not by date surely.



#13 Uncial

Uncial

    Donor Pen

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,359 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 02 March 2020 - 19:17

You'll see the issue of the reformulation highlighted here in this thread if you red through:

http://www.fountainp...-a-useable-ink/

I bought my first bottle of it back in 2014 and it was very, very light. Even in stub nibs it was too light for use. That thread linked above begins with me adding ink to make it more red and then later in the thread adding Onyx to create a faux amber. There is a picture of the two differing formulations side by side and another written picture of - what I assume - is the current formulation.



#14 Mercian

Mercian

    Egregiously prolix

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 709 posts
  • Location:Poundland
  • Flag:

Posted 03 March 2020 - 11:55

Here is a pic of the barcode on the bottom of the box:
 
fpn_1583173660__pelikan_edelstein_-_mand

Thank you for that  :thumbup:

 

The barcode of the one I bought years ago that was an awful ink is exactly the same number as in the picture above; as is the latest bottle of Mandarin I have from a Pelikan hub. But that's to be expected, no? Barcodes are by product, not by date surely.

Ah, that’s rather unfortunate  :mellow:
I asked for the barcode because I know that Parker change the EANs/barcodes of their inks whenever they reformulate them.
I suppose that, if I buy a bottle of Mandarin, I’ll just have to cross my fingers, and hope that it contains the same ink as namrehsnoom’s bottle.


Edited by Mercian, 03 March 2020 - 13:08.

Foul in clear conditions, but handsome in the fog.

 

mini-postcard-exc.png
 


#15 Uncial

Uncial

    Donor Pen

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,359 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 03 March 2020 - 13:00

There is a difference in how the ink looks in the bottle. The older one was very bright and strongly yellow, whereas the latest one I have has a strong red aspect to it.



#16 como

como

    Collectors Item

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,005 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 03 March 2020 - 16:03

I have been using this ink in the past couple of days. The more I use it, the more I have the urge of dropping a couple of drops of black ink! I first discovered the benefit when I stuck a lever-filler that was not thoroughly cleaned and had just a tiny hint of black, and it brought the entire bottle a shade darker immediately. Looks nice!



#17 Ink Sandwich

Ink Sandwich

    Doublemint

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 280 posts

Posted 12 March 2020 - 23:27

A lovely review that shows what you really can do with that ink :) I bought a bottle a couple of years ago, but never really used it (though it is a pleasure to write with). I just really can't think of a context where I would use it, though.



#18 amberleadavis

amberleadavis

    Inky! En-Abe-Lawyer

  • FPN Super Moderators

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 36,692 posts
  • Location:North Las Vegas
  • Flag:

Posted 15 March 2020 - 00:33

Your reviews are amazing.


Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

 

Want to get a special letter / gift from me, then create a Ghostly Avatar  

 

Ink comparisons:  The Great PPS Comparison  366 Inks in 2016

 

Check out inks sorted by color:  Blue Purple Brown  Red Green Dark Green Orange Black  Pinks  Yellows  Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY


#19 cgreenberg19

cgreenberg19

    Pen-Obsessor

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 127 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 19 March 2020 - 19:36

Thanks for posting!





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: pelikan, edelstein, mandarin, orange



Sponsored Content




|