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Platinum Century Nib Tines Question

#3776 japan nib tines gap

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#1 Tientze

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 13:08

This is a brand new platinum #3776 with medium nib fountain pen. Is the gap between
the tines normal or bit much?

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#2 clear1

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 13:56

Platinum pens tend to have relatively wide gaps mostly in my experience.

 

(I don't like that, though.)


Edited by clear1, 05 January 2020 - 13:56.


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 14:07

Is the gap between the tines normal or bit much?

 

 

Shouldn't you judge whether the gap between the tines is "bit much" by whether it allows or stops the nib from performing its intended function, instead of making an arbitrary assessment by visual inspection without inking and writing with the pen to test it functionally?


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 14:21

 
 
Shouldn't you judge whether the gap between the tines is "bit much" by whether it allows or stops the nib from performing its intended function, instead of making an arbitrary assessment by visual inspection without inking and writing with the pen to test it functionally?


Of course I have tried it with diffferent types of ink. It writes poorly on clairefontaine and Rhodia notebooks. On normal photocopy paper it writes acceptable. So I thought maybe the nib has a physical problem. Do you have platinum century fountain pen?

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 14:35

Do you have platinum century fountain pen?

 

 

Several, including a 100th anniversary commemorative limited edition "The Prime" in sterling silver.


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 15:01

 
 
Several, including a 100th anniversary commemorative limited edition "The Prime" in sterling silver.


How is your 100th anniversary commemorative limited edition The Prime in sterling silver and the other platinums nib tines? Did you check the tines before?

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 15:13

I don't have any Medium nibs for my Platinum #3776 pens; it's just not a nib width I'd order, unless that's the only non-option for a particular limited edition, and I haven't encountered that scenario ever.

 

The only Platinum #3776 nibs I have/had issues with are Soft (SF and SM) nibs. The 14K gold F nibs all work wonderfully out-of-the-box, so there is no need for me to check or adjust the tine gap on any of them.


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Posted 06 January 2020 - 07:46

My current production #3776 "Gathered" variant has similar tine gap to yours, it's also a medium and writes a reliably wet line on paper ranging from Rhodia to generic copy paper, that result has been had with Sailor, Pilot and Birmingham Pens inks.

 

It does suffer from hard starts after a few days of not being used, but I attribute that to a poor cap seal, which shouldn't be the case with a screw cap Century.


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Posted 14 January 2020 - 23:38

I think this is a relevant question even before inking a pen, especially since many sellers won't accept a return after it has been inked.
 
This tine gap seems a little wider compared to the 11 or so 3776 Century pens I've owned, though I would consider it on the wide side of normal. (More often I find the 3776 Century tines to be too narrow -- even to the point of touching rather tightly, sometimes, so at least you don't have that problem.) It's possible the pen will write just fine and you might even like the smooth, wet flow it will likely have.
 
Based on that gap I would expect it to write fairly wet, especially with a Japanese ink. You may find certain inks that are known to be more dry to perform well in this pen. Are you going to use a shimmering ink in this pen? If so, you may find that gap to be helpful as some shimmering inks don't perform well in Japanese nibs where the tine gap is very narrow.
 
As long as the tine gap is wider at the breather hole than it is at the tip then your nib should flow. Be sure to check the pen from the side to make sure the nib is in full contact all the way to the tip of the feed.
 
Have you tried the pen yet? How does it write? Do you like it?

Edited by JunkyardSam, 15 January 2020 - 01:04.


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Posted 15 January 2020 - 16:36

I have seen a few 'new' Platinum3776 pens recently and realised the same issue. older 3776 had gaps between tines very close together. for me, a huge gap is a problem.

why?

lack of sensitivity. but this can also be grind-dependent. it can feel the same as baby's bottom but not, which means the nib will not put down ink onto paper when in contact with paper. this can result in skips.

but

heavy writing pressure, super flowy inks and/or absorbent papers can solve this problem. but heavy writing pressure is not my style.

the effect is magnified by broader nib widths - not that fine nib widths are immune to this problem.

then

due to lack of sensitivity, the big gaps may not work very well with inks that are less eager to flow. this will result in skipping.

if

the inner tines are very rounded, then the gap might not result in a rough/scratchy writing sensation. but might result in skipping.

but

if the inner tines are sharp, then such a big gap will result in a scratchy/rough writing sensation because the gap will expose the sharp inner tines to the paper.

visual inspection is very important, and should not be neglected, especially when sellers do not allow pens to be inked for exchange/refund. If the gap can be captured by camera at this distance (as shown by op), it is big.





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