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Water Resistance Of Some Iron-Gall Inks Compared

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#1 A Smug Dill

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Posted 23 December 2019 - 07:27

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(All the writing was done using a dip pen, not the Aurora 888 Saturno that was merely acting as a paperweight while I took the photo above.)
 
The degree to which iron-gall inks are water resistant vary greatly from ink to ink, even when they are in the same product line of the same brand. Sadly, KWZ Ink IG Mandarin does not perform very well at all, and barely surpasses Aztec Gold IGL (which stands for Iron-Gall Light) in that respect.
 
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Aside: I was a bit surprised to see Platinum Blue-Black sheen purple some prominently and evenly.
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#2 carlos.q

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Posted 23 December 2019 - 09:44

Thank you for this most useful comparison. Goes to show that not all IG inks were created equal.  ;)
 

How long did you let the ink dry before the test?


Edited by carlos.q, 23 December 2019 - 09:49.


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Posted 23 December 2019 - 10:25

Excellent comparison. Most helpful. It's not just the actual (even if merely subjectively judged) permanence but also their colour differences which are interesting. Thanks too, to Carlos for his outstanding question.  :)  :)


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Posted 23 December 2019 - 13:31

How long did you let the ink dry before the test?

 

About two hours. (Actually, that's incorrect; I got mixed up with a different set of water resistance testing.)

 

The samples were written after dinner one night, and only on the following morning did I get around to standing them up in an old ice-cream container to soak.


Edited by A Smug Dill, 23 December 2019 - 14:19.

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Posted 23 December 2019 - 21:30

Very interesting results, especially since I have a number of these inks.  

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Posted 24 December 2019 - 00:29

Platinum Blue-Black is a surprisingly useful and well-behaved ink. I use it frequently in my Nakayas, because a box of the cartridges comes with each pen. Has anyone compared the waterfastness of Platinum Blue-Black and Pilot Blue-Black?


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Posted 24 December 2019 - 01:05

Adding mine here for more information in one place:

http://www.fountainp...inks/?p=4073415

(that post and 2 down with water resistance results)


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Posted 24 December 2019 - 05:30

Very cool! Thank you.


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Posted 02 January 2020 - 12:30

Without making precise tests I also noticed the low water resistance of kwz ig inks.
Good to know that this is confirmed allegro hour test.

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Posted 02 January 2020 - 13:59

Very cool. Thanks for this, Dill.

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 11:01

Pelikan Edelstein Smoky Quartz isn't iron-gall, as far as I know. I'm just throwing this in because I happen to be testing its water resistance, and my two pens that are filled with KWZ iron-gall inks are on hand...

BEFORE: 
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AFTER:
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Edited by A Smug Dill, 28 June 2020 - 11:02.

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 12:08

Dill, if I understand this right, the KWZs IGs disappeared, but the Smoky Quartz persisted? If so, that's quite ironic.

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 14:46

@TSherbs  Exactly. I allowed the KWZI iron-gall inks more than 30 minutes to 'cure' — and they had a few more minutes than the Pelikan Edelstein Smoky Quartz — before soaking, but that hasn't prevented them from just about completely disappearing; whereas PE SQ is ready as soon as it initially dried on the page to leave a very distinct, crisp and legible dark grey impression that doesn't wash away.

 

Originally I was testing PE SQ against a number of Herbin blue inks, which all seemed to have good water resistance in the sense of leaving a persisting impression, but to varying degrees the edges of the marks all got feathery and messy. That's when I thought I might compared that to brownish iron-gall inks I have on the ready.


Edited by A Smug Dill, 28 June 2020 - 16:05.

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 15:25

That's really interesting. Thanks for sharing the results. That'll teach me to presume that "IG" has any reliable connection to water permanence. I really appreciate these kinds of comparison torture tests.

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 15:55

Edelstein Tanzanite has some water-resistance too.

 

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 19:24

Thank you all :thumbup:  for these enlightening results, especially @A Smug Dill for comprehensive testing.

 

I've been grooving on more water fast/permanent inks since a few tea spills switched me over to them.

 

Been enjoying KWZ Aztec Gold IG and thinking of restock, but in light of it's performance... :unsure:

 

Kinda unbelievable  :(

 

I need to try different paper or bin it to the regular low water-resistant inks like Watermans, Aurora, etc. 



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Posted 29 June 2020 - 13:12

Thank you!







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