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What Is "classic" Really?

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#1 maxgroebel

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 21:36

Hi, 

I'm a bit puzzled by the use of the word "Classic" in relation to Montblanc pens.

It is often used for all sorts of pens, and many of them are, in a sense.

But there apparently also has been a model called "Classic", However, I'm uncertain of which one it is.

Some pens that appear on ebay look very much like a 221, or rather 221P. But the 221 seems to have a gold nib, and I wonder if the "Classic" one does.

My favorite pen, which has been with me since at least the early 80's also looks like the 221P, but does not have a gold nib. Could it be a "Classic" of some description, or some other kind of animal, or a fake?

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Posted 24 October 2019 - 11:21

Do you mean classique?  If you do, it refers to the size of then pens, which are smaller than the Le Grand (146).


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Posted 24 October 2019 - 14:54

I would regard something as being classic if it's timeless, the 149, for instance.

 

However, the classique range is the 145. (It's not a piston filler!)

 

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Edited by Nick_Green, 24 October 2019 - 15:09.


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Posted 24 October 2019 - 17:38

The Classique is the small Meisterstück (144 or later 145 Chopin).

The Classic is the predecessor of the Generation pen; those are roughly based on the second series 220, 221, 121 pens :-)

 

The Classic is a cartridge/converter filler only. Yes, it came with a gold nib.

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Posted 24 October 2019 - 20:34

The Classique is the small Meisterstück (144 or later 145 Chopin).

The Classic is the predecessor of the Generation pen; those are roughly based on the second series 220, 221, 121 pens :-)

 

The Classic is a cartridge/converter filler only. Yes, it came with a gold nib.

Cheers

 

Michael

 

Not from the 121, just from the 220 and 221 because of the two cap rings.  ;) 


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Posted 24 October 2019 - 22:20

The Classic was a result of Montblanc streamlining their range in the eighties and re-focusing on high-end pens. What had been a mid-tier pen was slowly downgraded until by the early nineties it was re-styled slightly and as the Generation became MB's bottom-of-the-range pen. As the Classic it should have the name on the cap ring to identify it.

 

Here's the 1987 Catalogue and pricelist so you can compare it's price with the Noblesse and Meisterstück ranges (Only the SL is cheaper):

 

https://www.dropbox....987-88.pdf?dl=0

 

https://www.dropbox....celist.pdf?dl=0


Edited by soapytwist, 24 October 2019 - 22:24.

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Posted 24 October 2019 - 23:54

Thank you Soapytwist.

 

One may remember that the first digit on Montblanc's numbers indicates the line: 

1xx indicates the Meisterstück line

2xx indicates the second line and

3xx indicates the third line.

 

 

The Classic 221 had a 14 ct gold nib and two cap rings, the Classic 310 had a gold plated steel nib and one cap ring. 


Edited by penparadise, 25 October 2019 - 00:01.

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 18:03

I think for a while in the US market at the end of the 1970s, the 149 was marketed as the Diplomat and the 146 as the Classic as well as being marketed by their model numbers.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 22:29

Thank you Soapytwist.

 

One may remember that the first digit on Montblanc's numbers indicates the line: 

1xx indicates the Meisterstück line

2xx indicates the second line and

3xx indicates the third line.

 

 

The Classic 221 had a 14 ct gold nib and two cap rings, the Classic 310 had a gold plated steel nib and one cap ring. 

 

Thanks a lot, all of you. But it still does not answer my question.

The pen I am talking about is a very simple one, but it has served me faithfully for many years. (The only incident was when an overly ambitious airport control thought I could use it to hi-jack the plane). I must have bought it in 1985 at the latest. It looks exactly like my 221 with two little tongues protruding over the nib, is cartridge/converter only, has two cap rings (probably W-Germany on the lower, hard to see) and by the look of it not a gold nib (no mention of karat on the nib; just the same snowflake as on 310P), but it could be gold plated steel.

So, what kind of an animal is it?

Max



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Posted 31 October 2019 - 08:19

As soapytwist quoted here on posting #6:

https://www.dropbox....987-88.pdf?dl=0

You have a Montblanc Classic

Just open the link and scroll down to page 7/10 and read the bottom text.


Edited by penparadise, 31 October 2019 - 08:23.

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#11 soapytwist

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Posted 01 November 2019 - 13:42

And if it doesn't look like the one in the catalogue, then maybe posting an image or two of your pen would help us greatly!


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#12 maxgroebel

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Posted 01 November 2019 - 14:40

Sorry, I did not read the text properly. Thanks a lot, Soapytwist and Penparadise. Now I know, after 35 years.





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