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Never Seen This Glass Cartridge Model From 40´s? Any Idea?

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I bought two pens thinking that one was a no.3 or n.52 marbled celluloid from 30´s and other thinking that was a 512 or a w2 marbled celluloid from 40´S. And when I got then the surprise was that they did not get any Lever box. Any idea which models are they, because it is scribed that they are in United States f America the got the idel globe too but the glass cartridge says made in france. thank you in advance for your answers.

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it's seem to be glass cardrige pen late 30 but you're haven't the joint between the cardrige and the section. This joint don't exist now , and the only way is to find some on a more "ordinary" pen in good condition and take it to this one. Be carreful the joint is fixed to the feed with a nut.

 

 

Sorry for my bad English but I write from France and frenchs are not so good in foreign language

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it's seem to be glass cardrige pen late 30 but you're haven't the joint between the cardrige and the section. This joint don't exist now , and the only way is to find some on a more "ordinary" pen in good condition and take it to this one. Be carreful the joint is fixed to the feed with a nut.

 

 

Sorry for my bad English but I write from France and frenchs are not so good in foreign language

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I've got a French Waterman version of what I think this is. I haven't got a glass cartridge small enough to fit it (got a pack of the slightly newer large ones, but I've never found a small one. If that cartridge is the right size it may be more valuable than the pen.

 

They're very underappreciated pens. If you get it working, you will enjoy it a great deal.

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French made,

 

French explored many an avenue in pen making over time. You can find lots of unusual pen filling mechanisms in pens made in France. Nibs, are another area: for a nib to be marked as gold, it had to be at least 18C in France. And many brands had a factory in France. What all this gives you is that you can find pens from many well known, non-French brands, that were actually made in France, with gold nibs that were 18C instead of 14C, and with surprising filling mechanisms.

 

E.g. this is a late Wahl Eversharp made in France, it is a push filler (if you unscrew the cap at the end of the body), and you can unscrew the whole body to reveal the inner structure of the filling system (an accordion-based system).

 

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I have seen the glass cartridge Waterman pens before and they are quite collectable. As I recall they have a rubber gasket, what another poster referred to as a joint, in the pen that the cartridge abuts against that is missing from the examples you have. That gasket is located in front of and held in place by the nut mentioned by another poster. There is an example on the Internet by Rishard Binder of how to replace this gasket with a modified piece of sack, assuming you have the mentioned nut. I don't know if there is any source for the nut, if they are missing from the pens you have. I can't see inside the part where It attatched. It is possible that the only thing missing is the part of the rubber gasket that is skirt like, having separated from the rest of the gasket and part of the rubber is still held in place by the nut.

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I forgot about that! Parker51 is correct, I had to have my seal replaced. It is made by and replaced with the same material that makes latex sacs, and if most sacs don't survive to present, you can bet that seal doesn't either and you'll need to get it done.

 

Mine is nice to look at and with a riveted clip on the cap. Hopefully one day I'll find a cart that fits it :)

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Perhaps an adapter could be made to allow it to accept International cartridges? If the end shape and diameter of an international cartridge is very close to that of the glass cartridge, and a new seal has been installed, and the length of the international cartridge versus the glass cartridge is less, then perhaps a space could be fashioned which would allow for the holding and seating of the international cartridge in the pen and against the seal. The problem will be in getting the dimensions of the origonal glass cartridge.

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I am a bit confused on this point , they are French made or United States made? on the barrel is imprint made in the United States of America in both, and the nib are a waterman 14k ideal New York, but on the glass ink cartridge reads Waterman made in France.

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Correct, both made in the U.S. For the French market and made in France with US made parts for the French market. The Waterman Companies were rather intertwined at the time and even more so later, with eventually the French part buying out the American part and then even later being bought be a different American Company, but with most production being in France still today and none in the U.S.

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