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Is There A Problem With Making This A Part Of My Normal Restoration Routine?


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#1 eharriett

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 17:52

I know there's at least one person that will say, "if you ask if there's any problem with doing.... then the answer is usually yes," :)  But I wanted to ask anyway.

 

As I take apart and restore my vintage pens with 70-90 year old ink ink it, after I finish letting it sit in water with a touch of Dawn detergent until its clean, I cane upon a couple pens that needed a little more cleaning, so I put it in an empty ink sample tube with a little bit of amonia and water.  Let it sit overnight and the solution was black with more ink, even though the water/detergent I normally use was clear by then.

 

So my question, as you can guess, is there any problem with making sitting in an ammonia bath for the nib and feed part of my regular restoration routine?



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Posted 09 October 2019 - 17:56

I dimly remember having read that ammonia can damage gold nibs.

Ebonite sections can bleach out with prolonged contact with water (can be polished back, but still).

 

I recommend further research.



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Posted 09 October 2019 - 22:12

Agreeing also with Polanova, my query is, what is your need for this level of cleaning? While you do not specify, it sounds like you are trying to get all ink traces out of lovely ink-soaked ebonite feeds rather than merely clean an ink window. 


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Posted 09 October 2019 - 22:31

Ammonia can be corrosive, and as mentioned, can damage the gold of nibs, especially with extended exposure i.e. over night soaking.  A short cleaning with Dawn and ammonia is often needed to clean a pen (primary ingredients in the pen flushes on the market), and I don't worry about the 2-3 minute ultrasonic cleaning cycle. But the extended exposure to the ammonia over night can make gold nibs brittle, and lead to cracking.

 

An ultrasonic with the solution is better, and Rapidoeze better still.  You can buy it in quart bottles on Misterart.com at a reasonable price, and on Amazon.  I know somebody will pipe up "I just soak my nibs in water."  Grand.  But there are many times when that simply is not enough, and when the cleaning solution alone is not enough.


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Posted 09 October 2019 - 23:21

Rapidoeze rules.

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 00:30

I know there's at least one person that will say, "if you ask if there's any problem with doing.... then the answer is usually yes," :)  But I wanted to ask anyway.

 

As I take apart and restore my vintage pens with 70-90 year old ink ink it, after I finish letting it sit in water with a touch of Dawn detergent until its clean, I cane upon a couple pens that needed a little more cleaning, so I put it in an empty ink sample tube with a little bit of amonia and water.  Let it sit overnight and the solution was black with more ink, even though the water/detergent I normally use was clear by then.

 

**So my question, as you can guess, is there any problem with making sitting in an ammonia bath for the nib and feed part of my regular restoration routine?**

**Don't need to guess.....Answer:  It ain't good.**

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 01:07

I need to get an ultrasonic cleaner. 

 

Got it.  Don't do that.

 

Thank you



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 04:14

Rapidioease is not ammonia based. I recal it is triethanol amine.

Ammonia leached the copper out of gold alloy and can result in embrittlement.
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#9 eharriett

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 04:23

Found this thread on the Rapidoeze with a sterling recommendation from RonZ. Made my purchase tonight and shall put my ammonia bottle back next to Mr. Clean.

http://www.fountainp...ze-pen-cleaner/

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 09:36

Just looked on Amazon UK . Quart bottle of Rapidoeze is £64 (inc delivery). DIdn't win the Euromillions the other night so maybe I'll stick to filtered water and a drop of Fairy Liquid. :D

(I suppose I could ask Ron how long a quart bottle lasts him. I believe the stuff can be re-used several times?)


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Posted 10 October 2019 - 20:23

I've had my quart bottle of Rapido Eze for several years.. have not used more than a fifth to clean my 200+ pens over that time.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 21:40

Found this thread on the Rapidoeze with a sterling recommendation from RonZ. Made my purchase tonight and shall put my ammonia bottle back next to Mr. Clean.

http://www.fountainp...ze-pen-cleaner/

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 22:07

Rapidioease is not ammonia based. I recal it is triethanol amine. ...

Use caution and plenty of ventilation with Rapidoeze pen cleaner, because the triethanolamine is known to cause asthma and exacerbate existing asthma. I have asthma caused by floor cleaning products at work. A single exposure to a floor stripper containing ethanolamines took my asthma from mild to severe. 

Ammonia also triggers asthma, but is less likely to cause asthma in someone who does not now have asthma.

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Edited by WalterC, 10 October 2019 - 22:07.


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Posted 11 October 2019 - 21:36

I need to get an ultrasonic cleaner. 

 

Got it.  Don't do that.

 

Thank you

 

I put my parts in a regular old plastic container with water or if I'm feeling professional: distilled/demineralised water.

 

I then put the container on a running washing machine or similar machine. The machine vibrates, thus the container vibrates, thus the water vibrates, thus I get a hobo ultrasonic cleaner. A hobosonic cleaner if you will.


Edited by DonLeone, 11 October 2019 - 21:37.

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