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Goodbye Dreamtouch?

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#1 Twister292

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 15:04

I posted this in the Italy forum, but I think this is a better place... I've heard that Visconti are going to phase out the Dreamtouch Pd nibs...the relaunched watermark series and the Voyager 30 all have 18K nibs.


Flipside? The newer nibs are insanely expensive. I queried getting one for my watermark feom 2017 to swap out the Pd nib, and they are EUR315+VAT for F, M and B and the EF and Stub will be EUR363+VAT


I'm not sure whether they're just meant to replace the Pd nibs or are simply another tier up...Considering they're a good EUR125 (ex-VAT) more expensive than the Pd nib units, this could mean the refreshes of the HS series could go up by as much as US$200(!)


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#2 Tas

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 15:15

I posted this in the Italy forum, but I think this is a better place... I've heard that Visconti are going to phase out the Dreamtouch Pd nibs...the relaunched watermark series and the Voyager 30 all have 18K nibs.


Flipside? The newer nibs are insanely expensive. I queried getting one for my watermark feom 2017 to swap out the Pd nib, and they are EUR315+VAT for F, M and B and the EF and Stub will be EUR363+VAT


I'm not sure whether they're just meant to replace the Pd nibs or are simply another tier up...Considering they're a good EUR125 (ex-VAT) more expensive than the Pd nib units, this could mean the refreshes of the HS series could go up by as much as US$200(!)


Your thoughts?

My thoughts . . .?
I'm lucky enough to own an EF dreamtouch nib. I'm also lucky enough to own a similar sized Bock Ti Ef nib - It came with my Namisu Nova. If I were blindfolded, I'd be hard pushed to tell the difference.

£315+VAT vs £45inc VAT, hmmm.  I ADORE my VHS but I know what I'd do next time around. :unsure:

 



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Posted 15 July 2019 - 16:01

My thoughts . . .?
I'm lucky enough to own an EF dreamtouch nib. I'm also lucky enough to own a similar sized Bock Ti Ef nib - It came with my Namisu Nova. If I were blindfolded, I'd be hard pushed to tell the difference.

£315+VAT vs £45inc VAT, hmmm.  I ADORE my VHS but I know what I'd do next time around. :unsure:

 

 

Yeah, but the Ti nib doesn't have a Visconti imprint, does it? :P 


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#4 Tas

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 16:11

 

Yeah, but the Ti nib doesn't have a Visconti imprint, does it? :P

 

True :blush:



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Posted 15 July 2019 - 16:31

I posted this in the Italy forum, but I think this is a better place... I've heard that Visconti are going to phase out the Dreamtouch Pd nibs...the relaunched watermark series and the Voyager 30 all have 18K nibs.


Flipside? The newer nibs are insanely expensive. 


Your thoughts?

Italian pens, as always, are insanely expensive...maybe Italian pen maker insanity problem... :gaah: Regards



#6 oldrifleman

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 18:02

My thoughts . . .?
I'm lucky enough to own an EF dreamtouch nib. I'm also lucky enough to own a similar sized Bock Ti Ef nib - It came with my Namisu Nova. If I were blindfolded, I'd be hard pushed to tell the difference.

£315+VAT vs £45inc VAT, hmmm.  I ADORE my VHS but I know what I'd do next time around. :unsure:

 

I also have a Dreamtouch and several Bock Titanium nibs. The Bock wins every time!



#7 Tas

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 18:14

I also have a Dreamtouch and several Bock Titanium nibs. The Bock wins every time!

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not in ANY way bashing Visconti nibs. Far from it. They are a beautiful thing. Just saying that there are many, many beautiful things in this world that can be had for a lot less.

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 03:50

Honestly, I'd prefer they get rid of the dreamtouch. it was a great nib when it worked, but the QC on it was always (bleep). So if the alternative is an 18k that WORKS, I'd take that.

 

But not at an increased price. Sorry, but the homo sapiens isn't worth $150-200 more than they already ask.

 

But I'd also be down with the dreamtouch (with the damn QC fixed) as the mid tier, $300-700 range, and then throwing a huge 18k nib on their top of the range models. As it stands, I really am turned off by visconti's highest end pens when they come with the exact same nibs as are in my homosapiens and divinia metro.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 04:04

So if the alternative is an 18k that WORKS, I'd take that.

 

Is Palladium that much different to gold that their nibs would start working out of the box? Sheaffer made gorgeous PdAg and Pd-plated nibs for years and seemed to manage fine.

 

Personally, I would expect the cost to increase and the performance to continue on its current trajectory... :P 


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 16:39

Don’t really care what a nib is made of. I care how well it writes. The 23k Pd Dreamtouch nib in my HS is the only modern nib that I have which gives me beautiful, subtle line variation from the slight, natural pressure differences when I write. Which makes the HS my one modern pen which gives me something that resembles a vintage writing experience. For that alone, I cherish it.

Having said that, nothing that I know of surpasses the feel on paper of the cheap, Bock-made, super-feathery nibs in the Leonardo Momento Zero and Furore (and the Leonardo nib I transplanted into a Kaweco Supra Brass, which is currently my EDC).

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 17:13

 

Is Palladium that much different to gold that their nibs would start working out of the box? Sheaffer made gorgeous PdAg and Pd-plated nibs for years and seemed to manage fine.

 

Personally, I would expect the cost to increase and the performance to continue on its current trajectory... :P

 

 

I don't see any flaws in your logic, a nib is a nib, but at least visconti is known for their older gold nibs actually being good, and the dreamtouch has just been a QC nightmare.

 

Such a shame. The nibs feel amazing when they're tuned, the softness is definitely different from Ti to me, titanium is mushier, the Pd feels closer to a 14-18k hybrid.


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 13:28

 

Is Palladium that much different to gold that their nibs would start working out of the box? Sheaffer made gorgeous PdAg and Pd-plated nibs for years and seemed to manage fine.

 

Personally, I would expect the cost to increase and the performance to continue on its current trajectory... :P

 

I'm afraid this will be the case as well...since Dante Del Vechio's departure, Visconti has been taking the absolute mickey on pricing. If the HS Evolution is anything to go by, and the relaunch of the watermark series, they're simply trying to push the price envelope as far as they can. And they're almost forcing people up the ladder...e.g. the Steel Age HS is now discontinued, which means the only black HS series pen with a silver trim is the HS Evolution...Which is EUR 790 for a steel nib.





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