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Lamy Joy Vs. Safari/vista Feeds And Ink Starvation Issues


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#1 emceeATD

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 10:33

So first I have a question and then hopefully some troubleshooting.

For the past couple of weeks I've been writing with a Vista with a 1.5mm nib and a Joy with a 1.9mm nib. Despite having the smaller nib, the Vista has consistent ink starvation issues that get really frustrating and it's not really been an issue on the Joy.

Does anyone know if Lamy uses a different feed on the Joy to compensate for the wider nibs people will presumably be using on them?

Has anyone else had this problem with the 1.5 on a Vista/Safari/, Al-Star? I've tried cleaning the pen, flushing the feed, and even replacing the nib with another 1.5 and have still had consistent issues. Even priming the feed only gives extremely temporary relief. I really want to love this pen as, when it works, it's smooth and the line width is nearly perfect for what I use it for, but all of my writing sessions with it have quickly ended in frustration.

Thanks for any and all thoughts.

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#2 sciumbasci

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 11:49

Its the same on all their models IIRC.
Check with a loupe if the feed is as it should be, i.e. it doesnt have imperfection from the injection moulding process.
In the most extreme cases, you can widen the feeds channels with a surgical knife (exacto or something similar) but take heed: needs a steady hand and you cant go back once you made the cut.

#3 bogiesan

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 13:46

Might just be the slit in the Vista’s nib. Try flossing it.

Are the nibs compatible? Swap them.
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Posted 13 June 2019 - 15:28

With my seven Vistas it's always a problem with the ink (Rouge Hématite) or ink that dried out; I've rotated something like 35 inks in them. You can do a deep cleaning, disassemble the pen, the feed is made of two parts, make sure to thoroughly clean the two small "rails" on top of the bottom part, this should take care of the problem, you could leave everything soaking for 24 hours to make sure. In the case of Rouge Hématite I took a knife and gently went over those rails, helps the pens write reliably even though eventually that ink will clog up everything.

 

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 15:59

Thanks for the replies. It's definitely an issue with the feed, but there's certainly nothing visibly wrong with it and this was a problem out of the box and after a clean. The first ink I tried was Lamy Amazonite and as it was my first go with that ink I thought that might be the problem, so I switched to Lamy Turquoise and the flow was better, but the problems persisted.
I'll try taking the feed out and cleaning it more thoroughly.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 02:09

I've had occasional problems with ink starvation on the Safari when ink clings to the side of the converter and doesn't flow to the feed.  Usually tapping the section with a finger helps restore the ink flow.



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Posted 25 June 2019 - 11:47

You can modify any Lamy Safari or AL Star feed to have a really large ink flow very easily.  Unfortunately the site with pictures and step by step how on how to do the Lamy "fude nib" mod seems to be down, but in case it goes back up:

 

https://www.ateliern...at-for-drawing/

 

In essence, if you take apart the section of the Lamy, you will see there is a plastic bit running down the center that you can easily remove (no cutting involved - it pops out, it's a separate piece).  You put the pen back together without the missing piece, then you plug the breather hole on the bottom of the feed near the section with some poster putty (or something similar).  This turns it into an antique-style single channel feed, and increases the ink flow quite a bit.  It's also totally reversable simply by removing the poster putty and slotting that plastic covering on the feed right back in, if you don't like it.

 

If I can get some time and my camera out, I can try to take pictures of this later, but I'm kind of hoping the website with the tutorial will come back up at some point.


Edited by Enkida, 25 June 2019 - 11:48.

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#8 Enkida

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 11:53

Hmm, the website is still down today meaning it's probably permanently down, shoot.  Well, I don't have a picture of the feed with the plastic insert on the top of it removed, but I do have a picture of how to plug up the hole in the bottom of the feed with poster putty afterwards.  Post in thread with that:

 

http://www.fountainp...x750/?p=4199145

 

specifically this image:

fude1.jpg

 

still no camera, but I will try again later to get a picture of the modified feed up here somehow.

 

Incidentally, I did mine on a NEXX, which shares the same feed as the vista, safari, and al-stars, as far as I know.


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Posted 27 June 2019 - 14:02

So first I have a question and then hopefully some troubleshooting.

For the past couple of weeks I've been writing with a Vista with a 1.5mm nib and a Joy with a 1.9mm nib. Despite having the smaller nib, the Vista has consistent ink starvation issues that get really frustrating and it's not really been an issue on the Joy.

Does anyone know if Lamy uses a different feed on the Joy to compensate for the wider nibs people will presumably be using on them?

Has anyone else had this problem with the 1.5 on a Vista/Safari/, Al-Star? I've tried cleaning the pen, flushing the feed, and even replacing the nib with another 1.5 and have still had consistent issues. Even priming the feed only gives extremely temporary relief. I really want to love this pen as, when it works, it's smooth and the line width is nearly perfect for what I use it for, but all of my writing sessions with it have quickly ended in frustration.

Thanks for any and all thoughts.

 

I had similar problem with my Safari 1.1, while the 1.5 worked like a charm

 

my solution was new nibs, put in B nibs in both and they work like they should fo rme


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