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Kop Vs Custom Urushi/845 Vs Nakaya Vs Izumo

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Poll: Kop Vs Custom Urushi/845 Vs Nakaya Vs Izumo (51 member(s) have cast votes)

KoP vs Custom Urushi vs Nakaya vs Izumo

  1. Sailor King of Pen (9 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

  2. Pilot Custom Urushi / 845 (12 votes [23.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  3. Nakaya (18 votes [35.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.29%

  4. Platinum Izumo (8 votes [15.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.69%

  5. Others (4 votes [7.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.84%

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#21 penzel_washinkton

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 09:21

For Hakase, it's not a case of "stretching" your budget but rather obliterating it. They start at double, and you wouldn't want that one.

 

I will also add that I wouldn't allow the converter issue sway you too much. Yes, Sailor converters have limited capacity, and Platinum converters tend to die, but they're dirt-cheap ($5-15) and easy to source. With Pilot/Namiki (and Hakase too) you get the biggest capacity and the largest range of converters, but some people absolutely detest the CON-70. I personally think it's by far the best converter out there...

 

Basically, YMMV.

 

(Striking through Hakase off the list) ...but I'm still going to see it in person if possible.

Yeah, it's just a little bit of a rant from me personally. I have used the CON-70 and as usual, I find that cleaning the back part of the converter not enjoyable.

 

Of you are opening up to the Yukari Royale I personally would put that first in your list. I found it a great fit in the hand and very well made.

I agree Hakase are out of budget really, bit Ohashido could work well. Probably a bit smaller than you might want.

 

Yes, still keeping the Yukari Royale in my options since it is not way off my budget.

 

Jas anyone mentioned Stylo Art Kariizawa as an option? They have some nice options in your range with Pilot nibs.

 

Actually no, another one in the list I guess if I happen to stumble across one. Thanks!



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#22 mke

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 12:45

> Yes, still keeping the Yukari Royale in my options since it is not way off my budget.

Be careful, you might be disappointed after buying the Yukari because the Namiki Emperor Urushi Black/Vermilion is not much more expensive (in Japan). It is only about 2-30000 Yen difference.

Have a look at both before you decide.



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Posted 08 June 2019 - 13:44

> Yes, still keeping the Yukari Royale in my options since it is not way off my budget.

Be careful, you might be disappointed after buying the Yukari because the Namiki Emperor Urushi Black/Vermilion is not much more expensive (in Japan). It is only about 2-30000 Yen difference.

Have a look at both before you decide.

 

 

I have both. The Emperor is made from ebonite and urushi, and has a Japanese eyedropper mechanism (with a cut-off mechanism). The problem is its size - it's a giant dwarfing other giants, and functions better as a statement than as a pen. 

 

Good idea to see them both.


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Posted 08 June 2019 - 14:21

> it's a giant dwarfing other giants,
Great, that seems to be the pen made for me.

Edited by mke, 08 June 2019 - 14:21.


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Posted 08 June 2019 - 14:22

> it's a giant dwarfing other giants,
Great, that seems to be the pen made for me.

 

lol


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Posted 08 June 2019 - 14:30

I think it's inevitable , if there is a Yukari Royale then the Emperor must be nearby.

Oh and pretty sure that the sales guy / girl will offer me more expensive stuff than the one I am viewing.



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Posted 08 June 2019 - 14:39

I think it's inevitable , if there is a Yukari Royale then the Emperor must be nearby.

Oh and pretty sure that the sales guy / girl will offer me more expensive stuff than the one I am viewing.

 

Not in Japan they won't.


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Posted 08 June 2019 - 14:41

So they would let me mind my own business in the shop unless I enquire?

That seems like a conducive shopping environment for me



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Posted 08 June 2019 - 16:10

Totally. There is no hard-sell in Japan (often no sell at all), just incredibly helpful assistants should they be required. 


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 11:43

Some size comparisons that might help:

 

Nippon Art, 845, Nakaya Portable, Neo-Standard, Izumo:

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Izumo, KoP, Portable, Danitrio Takumi, Pilot Custom 743:

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 12:49

I don’t own any of these, but the Izumo is my grail pen. Maybe someday...

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 18:55

Hi jar,

   Can you please take those pictures with the caps off? 


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 06:08

Honestly, since Urushi is not a factor for you, get the KOP. With all of the other pens you are primarily paying for Urushi - with KOP you are paying for a special nib. I wouldnt touch the Izumo in your case (its all Urushi, limited nib). Pilot Custom Urushi is a decent option. The Nakayas will be the most aesthetically special, but it doesnt sound like thats what you are after.

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 06:22

With all of the other pens you are primarily paying for Urushi - with KOP you are paying for a special nib.


What's special about any of those nibs, pray tell, other than being physically large? None of them are, say, Naginata nibs. A 'large-sized' 21K gold Naginata Concord Emperor nib that fits a Sailor Profit21 (aka 1911 Large) body would be more special than any Pilot #30 Medium nib or Sailor 'extra large' 1911-imprint Medium nib (to fit a KOP pen).

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 09:18

Honestly, since Urushi is not a factor for you, get the KOP. With all of the other pens you are primarily paying for Urushi - with KOP you are paying for a special nib. I wouldnt touch the Izumo in your case (its all Urushi, limited nib). Pilot Custom Urushi is a decent option. The Nakayas will be the most aesthetically special, but it doesnt sound like thats what you are after.

 

 

I must respectfully disagree with everything you've written here.


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 12:54

Totally. There is no hard-sell in Japan (often no sell at all), just incredibly helpful assistants should they be required. 

 

That would be fantastic, can't wait to go there someday.

 

Some size comparisons that might help:

 

Nippon Art, 845, Nakaya Portable, Neo-Standard, Izumo:

 

 

Izumo, KoP, Portable, Danitrio Takumi, Pilot Custom 743:

 

 

Thank you very much for the photo comparison.

Looking at the Izumo compared side by side, I feel so dumb saying that the Izumo is the smallest of the lot.

 

Honestly, since Urushi is not a factor for you, get the KOP. With all of the other pens you are primarily paying for Urushi - with KOP you are paying for a special nib. I wouldnt touch the Izumo in your case (its all Urushi, limited nib). Pilot Custom Urushi is a decent option. The Nakayas will be the most aesthetically special, but it doesnt sound like thats what you are after.

 

Yes, it's not a deciding factor although it's nice to have.

In the end I will have to hold them in my hand and see how I feel about them, their surface, their weight etc.

 

One thing though that I saw on the spec sheet is that the Namiki Yukari Royale is actually a metallic base coated with Urushi?

Would have thought that it is ebonite but the price is too good to be true.



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Posted 10 June 2019 - 13:01

The Namiki Yukari Royale, as I stated in an earlier post, is urushi on brass. It is unique among Japanese pens in this respect.
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 13:18

Ah yes, apologies for missing that part where you said that the base metal is brass.

How does it feel in the hand though compared to an ebonite material?



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Posted 10 June 2019 - 14:05

I'm not sure if these size comparison photos will help at all, but thought I'd at least toss them out there.

 

Left to right with caps on then caps off are:

 

Montblanc 149, Nakaya Portable, Sailor Pro Gear King of Pen, PIlot Custom Urushi, Platinum Izumo, Nakaya Long 17mm.

 

There is also a Nakaya 17mm Portable, but I don't currently have one to add to the photographs.

 

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 14:10

Ah yes, apologies for missing that part where you said that the base metal is brass.

How does it feel in the hand though compared to an ebonite material?

 

 

It's less dainty and the pen feels less ephemeral, more substantial. That said, the balance is almost impossibly perfect, and though I tend to prefer lightness, the Yukari Royale is one of the most comfortable pens I own. In the last year I have written circa quarter of a million words with it alone. 


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