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Rohrer & Klingner Dokumentus Schwarz Handwritten Review

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#21 A Smug Dill

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:34

Thanks for the update!


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Posted 26 June 2019 - 16:27

Thanks for a nice and informative review.



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Posted 27 June 2019 - 12:29

I tend to use the Dokumentus line often along with Noodler's.

 

Last year, I left a Pelikan half filled with Brown and forgot about it for over 5 months. Slip ups are inevitable.

When I did find it, the ink had completely dried out.

 

Unscrewed the nib and left it overnight in nib cleaning solution.

The barrel I flushed numerous times with soapy water (distilled water+washing liquid) and left the barrel filled with it overnight.

 

Following morning, rinsed the nib and barrel a few more times (solution of distilled water+5-10% ammonia and then finally with just distilled water) and left them to air dry.

 

Later in the day, filled it with Diamine and carried on.

No issues from the pen so far.

I did continue to clean the pen thereafter every three weeks, as is my routine.

 

It could be that the barrel is stained internally, but it has not affected the working of the pen or caused issues with other inks incl. IG inks.

 

It was filled with R&K Marlene until last week and it has also been filled with Noodler's BSB, earlier in the year, for a month.

 

YMMV.


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Posted 27 June 2019 - 12:47

Hmm, I just usually soak it in water, or a little soapy water as per your advice if it's a toughie, but I'll try the bleach next if I notice anything screwy about the pen next time I ink it up.  It's not critical, though - that Campus is my bangup pen for problematic inks like Baystate Blue and the like.  I'm actually probably trying to subconsciously kill it so I can justify getting a nicer bang-up pen, haha!

 

Thank you for the cleaning tips :)


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Posted 27 June 2019 - 12:54

Hmm, I just usually soak it in water, or a little soapy water as per your advice if it's a toughie, but I'll try the bleach next if I notice anything screwy about the pen next time I ink it up.  It's not critical, though - that Campus is my bangup pen for problematic inks like Baystate Blue and the like.  I'm actually probably trying to subconsciously kill it so I can justify getting a nicer bang-up pen, haha!

 

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No bleach, it was a typing error. Only use ammonia solution.

OTOH, you can also try white vinegar solution (10% vinegar+distilled water).

 

Thank you for the review.

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 13:46

Hah, bullet dodged!  Ammonia solution it is, thank you, and thank you for the compliments! :-)


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Posted 27 June 2019 - 15:44

Hah, bullet dodged!  Ammonia solution it is, thank you, and thank you for the compliments! :-)

 

You are welcome.  smile.png  A 'bleach' bullet could be catastrophic.

 

You can try the black from the SketchINK range. Probably not archival but great water resistance.

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 05:08

 
No bleach, it was a typing error. Only use ammonia solution.
OTOH, you can also try white vinegar solution (10% vinegar+distilled water).
 
Thank you for the review.
Great effort and lovely doodles.  thumbup.gif


Vinegar is acidic. Bases clean ink much better than acids

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 08:58

Vinegar is acidic. Bases clean ink much better than acids

 

True, ammonia is a weak base.

IIRC, vinegar would be effective against IG inks (20% vinegar solution).


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Posted 01 July 2019 - 03:11

First off, I'm a fine nib, black waterproof ink kinda guy. De Atramentis Document/Archive, Platinum Carbon, Rohrer & Klingner Sketch, Noodler's Bulletproof...

I wanted to like this ink, but it went from questionable to out-right useless. It cakes up on the nib in an hour or two. First, hard-starts, then no-starts. Have to go to the sink to run it under the faucet, and scrape the residue off the nib with a fingernail.

Finally gave it one last try in a pen I know is wet, and it froze up in an hour.

Emptied, cleaned, refilled with De Atramentis document (writes beautifully)

Maybe in the future I'll add some White Lightning to see if that helps. 'til then, Dokumentis is a fail.



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Posted 01 July 2019 - 08:19

 

True, ammonia is a weak base.

IIRC, vinegar would be effective against IG inks (20% vinegar solution).

 

technically, yes, vinegar will attack iron oxides, but the effects would be so slow that you'd have a vineger stink in that pen forever and potentially damage it from the acetic acid before it did its job.

 

Mechanical agitation is all that'd be necessary to remove the iron oxide, which can't bond to or really penetrate into resins, and the ammonia would do a better job on the dye component of the IG.


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technically, yes, vinegar will attack iron oxides, but the effects would be so slow that you'd have a vineger stink in that pen forever and potentially damage it from the acetic acid before it did its job.

 

Mechanical agitation is all that'd be necessary to remove the iron oxide, which can't bond to or really penetrate into resins, and the ammonia would do a better job on the dye component of the IG.

 

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