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#41 PaulS

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 21:48

that's probably the same seller who blocked me for suggesting that his description of a mint 1930s pen, simply wasn't mint.       Probably best to stay away from these over-sensitive characters - there will be tears before bedtime for someone I'm sure.  



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Posted 29 June 2019 - 12:24

that's probably the same seller who blocked me for suggesting that his description of a mint 1930s pen, simply wasn't mint.       Probably best to stay away from these over-sensitive characters - there will be tears before bedtime for someone I'm sure.  

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Yes, or tears before ink-up.

It's a blessing in disguise really, that he blocked me from bidding. At least I now know that this eBay seller is a bit of a rogue, or should I say 'jack' (hint there).



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Posted 29 June 2019 - 16:13

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Yes, or tears before ink-up.

It's a blessing in disguise really, that he blocked me from bidding. At least I now know that this eBay seller is a bit of a rogue, or should I say 'jack' (hint there).

 

...and there's more than just one of those selling in the UK and using Ye Olde Disingenuousness to it's maximum Macchiavellian potential...


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#44 Marlow

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 16:20

that's probably the same seller who blocked me for suggesting that his description of a mint 1930s pen, simply wasn't mint.       Probably best to stay away from these over-sensitive characters - there will be tears before bedtime for someone I'm sure.  

 

I've had the same experience a few times. These characters are simply unwilling to engage in discussion with anyone that knows their stuff and calls their descriptions into question. Were it not for the understandable FPN rules regarding such things, I could very easily name and shame 5 sellers with solid, evidence-based proof that they are dedicated and accomplished liars. I'm just happy to have identified them for my own future reference.


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Posted 29 June 2019 - 16:27

There are some great examples of them over here on this side of the pond, too!!
Sadly, there seems to be no mechanism for shining a light on them. Everybody is too worried about the legal liability.
Yet, when you speak with other dedicated pen collectors, they all acknowledge having had a bad experience with these sellers, too.
It seems we have relegated this to a right of passage for the newbies. Sometimes "caveat emptor" is not enough. You have to purchase from these sellers before you can fully understand that they are not all they are cracked up to be........
It's only a few..... but some of the names are quite noteworthy.

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 16:45

There are some great examples of them over here on this side of the pond, too!!
Sadly, there seems to be no mechanism for shining a light on them. Everybody is too worried about the legal liability.
Yet, when you speak with other dedicated pen collectors, they all acknowledge having had a bad experience with these sellers, too.
It seems we have relegated this to a right of passage for the newbies. Sometimes "caveat emptor" is not enough. You have to purchase from these sellers before you can fully understand that they are not all they are cracked up to be........
It's only a few..... but some of the names are quite noteworthy.

 

Oh absolutely!!

 

Edited to remove unnecessary ramble!


Edited by Marlow, 29 June 2019 - 18:33.

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 09:20

 

Oh absolutely!!

 

Edited to remove unnecessary ramble!

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Oh, I thought your ramble was very informative. 



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Posted 01 July 2019 - 17:51

I would like to share a recipe for "blackening" BHR with the forum.

 

First of all I´ll be clear that I would never give such a treatment to any of my own pens, but I did the experiment with an old barrel in very bad shape which was given to me. And these are the before and after pictures.

 

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 18:04

The recipe is as follows,

 

Clean with household ammonia and a soft brush, let it dry, rub with kitchen paper. You are left with an even brownish color on the barrel.

 

Mix hidrogen peroxide at 20%vol with Schwarkopf Black 1.0 hair dye. 50% mix. You will then have a brownish paste.

 

Apply the paste and let it dry for 40 minutes. Then clean with kitchen paper.

 

Rub with silicone oil and polish with a cloth.



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Posted 01 July 2019 - 18:41

thanks for sharing - will certainly try this recipe soon  -  looks to be a success.



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Posted 01 July 2019 - 19:54

The recipe is as follows,

 

Clean with household ammonia and a soft brush, let it dry, rub with kitchen paper. You are left with an even brownish color on the barrel.

 

Mix hidrogen peroxide at 20%vol with Schwarkopf Black 1.0 hair dye. 50% mix. You will then have a brownish paste.

 

Apply the paste and let it dry for 40 minutes. Then clean with kitchen paper.

 

Rub with silicone oil and polish with a cloth.

 

Very interesting. Thanks for the info!


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#52 OMASsimo

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 20:21

I'm slightly skeptical about this procedure regarding long term effects. The hydrogen peroxide might oxidize the free sulfur of the broken down polymer network leading to sulphurous acid. If this isn't washed out or neutralized properly, it might damage the material further. Maybe a final treatment with diluted ammonia could make this a little safer?



#53 Wahl

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 16:28

About a year ago, a friend of mine asked me to re-blacken four BHR pens he had in terrible shape, I borrowed the pens for some pics, and these are the results.

 

Sorry, no "before" pics, but they were really ugly, greenish/brown

 

KaN6K8X.jpg



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Posted 20 July 2019 - 17:12

I'd often wondered about using hair dye, I might just give this a try.



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Posted 20 July 2019 - 17:37

About a year ago, a friend of mine asked me to re-blacken four BHR pens he had in terrible shape, I borrowed the pens for some pics, and these are the results.

 

Sorry, no "before" pics, but they were really ugly, greenish/brown

 

KaN6K8X.jpg

 

Do you know the name of the pen on the far left?! I have a clipless cap exactly the same shape as that one and have been looking for a body to go with it as I like the cap!


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#56 Wahl

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 19:01

 

Do you know the name of the pen on the far left?! I have a clipless cap exactly the same shape as that one and have been looking for a body to go with it as I like the cap!

Yes, it´s actually a combination FP/Pencil, the imprint says

 

"Combina" Pen

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 13:05

Just for Men can branch out into Just for Pen - now for your old hard rubber fountain pens.



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Posted 23 July 2019 - 21:36

About a year ago, a friend of mine asked me to re-blacken four BHR pens he had in terrible shape, I borrowed the pens for some pics, and these are the results.

 

Sorry, no "before" pics, but they were really ugly, greenish/brown

 

KaN6K8X.jpg

 

So, just to be clear - these are one year post your procedure? Have they been used/handled during this time?



#59 Wahl

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 16:51

 

So, just to be clear - these are one year post your procedure? Have they been used/handled during this time?

 

At least a year post procedure, probably more, but I don´t remember exactly, and no, they haven´t been handled much.



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Posted 26 July 2019 - 02:15

I know of one pen restorer who uses Cherry Blossom Liquid shoe Polish, then buffed by hand and left for 24 hours followed by a spray coat of sealant, a car product that detailers are using instead of wax.

 

I thought that you may like to see an example of a well worn and well loved Sheaffer, you would want to leave that surface just as it is.


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