Looking For Information On These Pens Please

[Omaromar]

I have these pens that I found in an old storage and would like to get some information on them i.e brand, model,price and production year..... if you could help I would very much appreciate it..Thank you in advance

[Bo Bo Olson]

#1 Parker 180???? There was a Parker that you could use both sides of the nib.

#2. ????

#3. Looks like a German fishbone pattern. (could be pre-war) What does the nib say? Could be a Herlitz made Luxor.

Show a close up of the nib, so I can look at my Herlitz nibs.

#4. Ring top overlay.....again we need a close up of the nib. 20-30's??? Others know ring tops better than me.

[PaulS]

I think we did this one already - half way down page three - have a look.

 

It's the Waterman filigree overlay that I could die for …………… according to the book, these curved-shaped-cut-outs are very Waterman ish - they reflect the interest in, and passion for, a design fad, which took its lead from the interest in Paisley patterns which originated in the Indian (sub-continent as opposed to the red sort), and seen frequently on textiles and clothing. A design/pattern that occurs often on filigree pens.

 

Not having one I'm guessing only, but model wise this might be one of the 58 series - c. 1912 - 1915 - but I could be encouraged to make a reasonable offer to the op

Edited June 3, 2019 by PaulS

[inkstainedruth]

Do the pens actually have any sort of imprint on them?

Yeah, I think that Bo Bo is right about the first pen (I've only seen pictures of Parker 180s).
I'm guessing that the 2nd pen might be a Parker Duofold or some sort of knockoff of a Duofold ("First Union" is probably the logo for some company that bought the pens to give out as swag or something -- I have a Parker Vector that has the imprint and a medallion on the clip for some computer company).

The third pen might be a Parker Vacumatic -- I think the earlier lower-tier models sometimes had that style of celluloid, although the marble flake and the Shadow Wave patterns are better known. Again, there should be an imprint on the barrel.

The fourth pen *could* be a Waterman -- or not. I have a couple of Morrison ringtops with gold-filled overlays that are practically identical to ones I've seen on Watermans (Morrison also had the same overlay design in sterling silver, for both the ringtops and for full size pens -- and other companies may have as well).

Sorry I can't be of more help.

Ruth Morrisson aka instainedruth

[BaronWulfraed]

First Union was a bank holding company...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Union

 

Based upon that article, the pen can probably be dated between 1967 (First Union Corporation, though possibly 1958 as First Union National Bank) and 2001 (FU buys Wachovia, apparently taking its name -- and is now part of Wells Fargo). Wonder if the pen was a "prize" for one of the mergers in the 80s-90s.

 

 

The pen/pencil set is Conway-Stewart, though I can't age it. My later "first revival" (?) Jade/Green Marble "58" (LE 08/385) doesn't have a relief hole in the nib, and the section is longer in relation to the body. However, pocket clip looks identical -- I'm sure the diamond has a skinny C with a wide S overlaying it.

Edited June 3, 2019 by BaronWulfraed

[PaulS]

I'm fairly sure that Ruben, and BW are correct, and this is a C.S. 58 - at least the cap ring configuration is spot on, and as with many C.S. pens there are variations in barrel marking (see Jonathan Donahaye's Conway Stewart site), and these differences determine approximately when the pen was made. Somewhere between 1949 and 1963 according to Donahaye - the barrel will almost certainly be marked - though the op may not be aware of this. The nib looks large enough to be a Duro. I have three 58s though missing a clip on one, and the two clips are of different lengths and show large and small diamonds - presumably design variations indicating difference in age.

 

Agree with the others that No. 1 is a 180, before it changed to the Classic.

 

These are all very nice pens - seeing better pix of the nibs might help.

[Tweel]

#2 is a modern Parker Duofold, not sure if it's Centennial or International.

 

Regarding #4, it looks like a safety pen, and the overlay surely does look Waterman, although I think other makers also adopted that pattern. Do I see an imprint on the side of the turning knob (the black end of the barrel opposite to the nib)? Is there a number on the end of it?

[Omaromar]

Hi sorry I’ve been away not had the chance to respond quick however Thank you for the responses and help .....so far what I gathered is that the pens are:

 

No 1. is Parker 180

No 2. Parker Duofold centennial or international? With first union bank stamp/logo on the cap

No 3. Conway Stewart 58 set?

No.4. Waterman filigree overlay is that correct?

 

I will upload more pictures of the nibs to confirm if there are any stamp or marking on them

Also how would I define their conditions based on the pictures provided as I’ve never used them myself before and hoping to sell them on

[Omaromar]

This is the picture of the nib and other marking found on the Waterman pen

[Omaromar]

Here is more pictures for the Conway Stewart 58 also what year is this set from and the size of the nib please

Edited June 8, 2019 by Omaromar

[Arkanabar]

For the First Union logo pen, perhaps a photo of the clip could help. It reminds me of a Duofold, and if it is, it should have a Parker arrow clip. A close-up of the nib would also help. A modern Duofold will have a section that should unscrew from the barrel without too much force, revealing either a cartridge or a converter. Classic Duofolds were button fillers, and if it's a button filler, then there should be a blind cap at the other end of the barrel which should unscrew to reveal the button.

[Omaromar]

I’m 100% sure it’s a Parker Duofold pen just not sure if it’s Centennial or International also not sure what year is it from

[BaronWulfraed]

I’m 100% sure it’s a Parker Duofold pen just not sure if it’s Centennial or International also not sure what year is it from

 

If you refer back to my previous post, it most likely falls into the 1967-2000 range, with a high probability of being from late 1980 to the 1990s when First Union was doing some major acquisition/merging (I hypothesize that the pens were given to management of the newly absorbed companies).

[Omaromar]

If you refer back to my previous post, it most likely falls into the 1967-2000 range, with a high probability of being from late 1980 to the 1990s when First Union was doing some major acquisition/merging (I hypothesize that the pens were given to management of the newly absorbed companies).

Great Thank you .....also the pen is 13cm long so is it Centennial or the International?

[Omaromar]

 

The pen/pencil set is Conway-Stewart, though I can't age it. My later "first revival" (?) Jade/Green Marble "58" (LE 08/385) doesn't have a relief hole in the nib, and the section is longer in relation to the body. However, pocket clip looks identical -- I'm sure the diamond has a skinny C with a wide S overlaying it.

Also I see that you’ve provided some great info regarding the Conway Stewart set so can you definitely say that it is a Conway Stewart no 58 jade/green marble set after providing the extra pictures?

 

Thanks

[BaronWulfraed]

Great Thank you .....also the pen is 13cm long so is it Centennial or the International?

The prime visual difference is not length, but diameter.

 

And there may be another date to refine the time period..

 

https://luxipens.com/parker-duofold-centennial-review/

 

Immediately following the United Kingdom division takeover in 1987, the new chief executive officer, Jacques Margry, wanted to commemorate the company’s centennial celebration. Designated as the flagship of the jubilee, the regal Duofold Centennial series of pens was released in 1988.

 

So we may be looking at late 80s early 90s. The International was released a year later.

 

Scroll down for the dimensions.

 

The international is 96% the length of the centennial, but only 88% the thickness!

 

 

Can't help any more with the Conway-Stewart. As I mentioned, my 58 is from one of the revivals of the name (the original C-S went under in 1975, restarted in the late 90s which is the time period of mine, that failed in 2014, a British company bought up the remaining components, while someone else registered the name in the US).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway_Stewart#Models:_1905%E2%80%931975

 

Based on the nib, and the Wikipedia article,

 

After the early 1960s injection moulded plastic of a uniform colour was used for the manufacture of pens. Nibs, which had been 14ct gold until this time, were generally replaced by stainless steel.

the odds are good that yours is a 50s to early 60s model -- whether it is an actual "58" or a similar size can't be determined on sight.