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Need Help Identifying My Montblanc Meisterstuck Rollerball


Sebastianq28

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Hi!

 

So I believe I have a pretty rare Meisterstuck as I can not find it anywhere online! Essentially it is the same as this pen, except its a rollerball.

https://www.penporium.com/MONTBLANC-144-SOLITAIRE-SOLID-GOLD-FOUNTAIN-PEN-p/3009.htm

 

The closest thing I can find to my pen is actually from an image posted on this very forum!

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/uploads/imgs/fpn_1314297331__aumb.jpg

 

My pen is very similar to the "163SG" except it does not have the black portion on the bottom, the design continues all the way down the pen.

 

Does anyone have any information on my pen? I am also wondering how much it would go for in the used marker in good condition.

 

Photos of the pen:

 

https://i.imgur.com/41DHPRC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/DFcd2sp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Qk0jOLR.jpg

 

If any other angle would help please let me know!

Thanks! :)

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I suggest posting photos of the pen in your possession.

This will help spark discussion.

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By the black portion at the bottom you mean the section, close to the tip ? or the finial with the MB logo ? I second Meier's opinion: a pic would be very nice, since there are a lot of Chinese pens that copy the golden versions ...

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By the black portion at the bottom you mean the section, close to the tip ? or the finial with the MB logo ? I second Meier's opinion: a pic would be very nice, since there are a lot of Chinese pens that copy the golden versions ...

 

 

I suggest posting photos of the pen in your possession.

This will help spark discussion.

 

Photos added to OP! let me know if any other angle is needed, thanks!

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Ah!!! Thanks a lot for the photos: I was confused by the roller ball designation, since MB calls these ballpoints, so I was really wondering how come it does not have a black section.

 

Anyways, I am not an expert (especially in Montblancs), and of course I cannot say anything about authenticity of the piece (although it does look stunning), but most probably it is a Meinsterstuch Solitaire Mozart 1169 with white and yellow gold (750) ... More info here, as well as a reference to the book you might wanna consult: http://www.collectiblestars.com/Montblanc-Meisterstueck-Solitaire-solid-gold-no1649-turning-mechanism-ballpoint-750-white-and-yello

 

Hope that helps a little ... That website is the place to go for any identification issues.

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750 meaning 18k gold ... So it should be worth a small fortune at least when you find a buyer :). You should consult a specialist, in my opinion, but until then take a look whether 750 is mentioned on the upper side of the barrel, close to the Montblanc band, as well as whether it has the authenticity mark for gold (I forgot how you call that in English). Also, whether the logo on the cap is well-centered, whether the center-band writing has small diagonal stripes within the letters and how well they are engraved, etc ...

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750 meaning 18k gold ... So it should be worth a small fortune at least when you find a buyer :). You should consult a specialist, in my opinion, but until then take a look whether 750 is mentioned on the upper side of the barrel, close to the Montblanc band, as well as whether it has the authenticity mark for gold (I forgot how you call that in English). Also, whether the logo on the cap is well-centered, whether the center-band writing has small diagonal stripes within the letters and how well they are engraved, etc ...

 

Thanks so much for the link! Everything matched up to It being a real one! Admittedly I didn’t doubt it’s authenticity as my dad had told me It was purchased from a trusted place many years ago but I’m glad that It does match up !

 

How would I find a specialist to verify authenticity and to value the pen? I called moms blanc and they said it’s 75 to verify it’s authenticity but they won’t value It for me. Do you recommend a way? I’d like to know what kind of mini fortune I have here

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Hi Sebastian

 

Is it the Mozart (1169, about 10cm long) or the 1649 (about 14 cm) that you have? (The '9' at the end means solid gold).

 

The value of any pen is only that which someone is prepared to pay for it at the time of sale. So to get the price you want will be about finding the right place to sell and maybe having a good deal of patience. However, there are many things that can influence the value - rarity is one, of course, but condition matters greatly, too - especially to collectors. Do you have the original box, guarantee and receipt? Is the pen 'mint' or does it have micro-scratches (or worse!) from everyday use? (It looks good on the photos you posted - though much better ones would be needed to help an online sale).

 

A certificate from Montblanc will help allay the fears of those who may be concerned about authenticity. Using a reputable auction house may also help.

 

e.g. here is a 1649 auctioned last year https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/christies-jewels-online/mont-blanc-white-yellow-gold-ball-point-pen-83/53080

 

(No affiliation etc., there are other auction houses).

You don't know what you need until you realise you haven't got it.

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Hi Sebastian

 

Is it the Mozart (1169, about 10cm long) or the 1649 (about 14 cm) that you have? (The '9' at the end means solid gold).

 

The value of any pen is only that which someone is prepared to pay for it at the time of sale. So to get the price you want will be about finding the right place to sell and maybe having a good deal of patience. However, there are many things that can influence the value - rarity is one, of course, but condition matters greatly, too - especially to collectors. Do you have the original box, guarantee and receipt? Is the pen 'mint' or does it have micro-scratches (or worse!) from everyday use? (It looks good on the photos you posted - though much better ones would be needed to help an online sale).

 

A certificate from Montblanc will help allay the fears of those who may be concerned about authenticity. Using a reputable auction house may also help.

 

e.g. here is a 1649 auctioned last year https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/christies-jewels-online/mont-blanc-white-yellow-gold-ball-point-pen-83/53080

 

(No affiliation etc., there are other auction houses).

Great info, Rowbo !!! I am totally inexperienced regarding auctions ...

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Hi Sebastian

 

Is it the Mozart (1169, about 10cm long) or the 1649 (about 14 cm) that you have? (The '9' at the end means solid gold).

 

The value of any pen is only that which someone is prepared to pay for it at the time of sale. So to get the price you want will be about finding the right place to sell and maybe having a good deal of patience. However, there are many things that can influence the value - rarity is one, of course, but condition matters greatly, too - especially to collectors. Do you have the original box, guarantee and receipt? Is the pen 'mint' or does it have micro-scratches (or worse!) from everyday use? (It looks good on the photos you posted - though much better ones would be needed to help an online sale).

 

A certificate from Montblanc will help allay the fears of those who may be concerned about authenticity. Using a reputable auction house may also help.

 

e.g. here is a 1649 auctioned last year https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/christies-jewels-online/mont-blanc-white-yellow-gold-ball-point-pen-83/53080

 

(No affiliation etc., there are other auction houses).

Thank you for the information! So It seems I have the 1649. Sadly I have the original box and leather case/box but they are in horrible condition after getting wet during a move .. also I lost the little card that comes in the little booklet that came with it. Do you know if that card is sometning montblanc would provide ? I assume It affects the value a lot. Finally where could i find a list of reputable auction houses I could contact ? Thanks !

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Todays price $32.03 per gram for 18k (info from internet). The pen weighs 41.4 g according to my link to auction house, so $1326 for the pen if it were all gold, which it isn't - need to account for refill, clip, mechanism etc.

 

And then you would need to melt it down !!!

You don't know what you need until you realise you haven't got it.

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I was wondering what would be the over the counter retail cost. I should probably sit down first.

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Ha!

 

Are you sitting down? There's one on 'bay at $6142.50 (buy-it-now price)

You don't know what you need until you realise you haven't got it.

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