Jump to content

The Fountain Pen Network uses (functional) cookies. Read the FPN Privacy Policy for more info.  To remove this message, please click here to accept the use of cookies


Registration on the Fountain Pen Network

Dearest Visitor of the little Fountain Pen Nut house on the digital prairie,

Due to the enormous influx of spammers, it is no longer possible to handle valditions in the traditional way. For registrations we therefore kindly and respectfully request you to send an email with your request to our especially created email address. This email address is register at fountainpennetwork dot com. Please include your desired user name, and after validation we will send you a return email containing the validation key, normally wiithin a week.

Thank you very much in advance!
The FPN Admin Team






Photo

Kwz Walk Over Vistula

kwz walk over vistula lanbitou 3059

  • Please log in to reply
23 replies to this topic

#1 Dip n Scratch

Dip n Scratch

    Vintage

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 443 posts
  • Location:Hull, UK
  • Flag:

Posted 22 May 2019 - 07:04

I have just loaded a sample of this ink into a Lanbitou 3059. The Lanbitou does have a 0.38mm nib, but does that really make a colour difference?

The ink looks blue in the pen but dries much more towards teal than review samples suggest.

I immediately suspected the Rhodia paper, so tried white vellum and Tomoe River (the thin stuff).

Has anybody else encountered this? I wondered if the Lanbitou was writing drier than previously thought. Has anybody else come across this colour difference? I can't see how it would turn back to blue if I used a wetter pen, like one of my Indian eyedroppers.

 

I will come back to you  with images.



Sponsored Content

#2 Uncial

Uncial

    Donor Pen

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,269 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 22 May 2019 - 10:25

My experience of it is that it's quite dark in smaller nib sizes but in a BB or a stub (or possibly a dry writer) you start to see the shading to a brighter blue.



#3 almoore

almoore

    Extremely Rare

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 318 posts

Posted 22 May 2019 - 11:31

Hi

 

Yes, I had the same result. At the time I tried it in both a medium nib pen and a fine nib pen on a variety of papers and each time the same result; I'm not a fan of Teal so at some point I'm going to PIF the bottle and the spare I have.

 

Of KWZ's dark inks I like Warsaw Dreaming, if you fancy a sample let me know and I can sort one out for you.

 

Al



#4 Dip n Scratch

Dip n Scratch

    Vintage

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 443 posts
  • Location:Hull, UK
  • Flag:

Posted 22 May 2019 - 13:59

The notepad is Rhodia: Here you can see what I have been messing around with lately.

I liked the Asa Gao enough to buy a 15ml mini bottle. The Asa Gao looks nicer if used with a medium nib.

 

Looked at under a lens the writing does appear more blue, but still not as good as in this review http://www.fountainp...acer-nad-wisla/

 

If the ink was exactly as in the review I would have considered buying some. Thank goodness for ink samples. Just wondering how the ink could appear to shift towards teal if it isn't really so.

Look at the second image, taken under flash from the camera and not daylight.

Attached Images

  • DSC00680.JPG
  • DSC00678.JPG

Edited by Dip n Scratch, 22 May 2019 - 14:14.


#5 SenZen

SenZen

    Antique

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,939 posts

Posted 22 May 2019 - 14:56

I've experienced wild shifts with other blue greens: Ama Iro, Kon Peki, Équinoxe 6, Souten; it seems to depend on nib sizes, wetness, not so much the paper. You might want to try with other pens before giving up on it.

 

Ama Iro: I prefer it light, get it with a Lamy StudioEF.

Kon Peki: I prefer a mid blue green but learned to appreciate it both lighter and (more normal) darker.

Light: Lamy StudioEF.

Mid: Pelikan m600 F.

Dark: Pilot Metropolitan M.

Équinoxe 6: I prefer it dark, get it with a Lamy Vista F.


Edited by pseudo88, 22 May 2019 - 22:05.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

B. Russell

#6 A Smug Dill

A Smug Dill

    ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.

  • FPN Supporter - Rhodium

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,194 posts
  • Location:Sydney, Australia
  • Flag:

Posted 22 May 2019 - 16:21

The notepad is Rhodia:


On my Rhodia Dotpad No.16 80g/m² notepad:
 
Scan:
fpn_1558541882__kwzi_walk_over_vistula_w


Under an LED desk lamp: 
fpn_1558541855__kwzi_walk_over_vistula_w
 
fpn_1558541756__sheen_from_kwzi_walk_ove

In daylight:
fpn_1558569285__kwzi_walk_over_vistula_w

Edited by A Smug Dill, 22 May 2019 - 23:56.

As always:  1. Implicit in everything and every instance I write on FPN is the invitation for you to judge me as a peer in the community. I think it's only due respect to take each other's written word in online discussion seriously and apply critical judgment.  2. I do not presume to judge for you what is right, correct or valid. If I make a claim, or refute a statement in a thread, and link to references and other information in support, I beseech you to review and consider those, and judge for yourself. I may be wrong. My position or say-so carries no more weight than anyone else's here, and external parties can speak for themselves with what they have published.  3. I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable. If it is something you can test for yourself and see the results, I entreat you to do so.

#7 Uncial

Uncial

    Donor Pen

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,269 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 22 May 2019 - 21:59

The review you link to was done with a dip pen I think, which can produce quite a different effect from a normal fountain pen. Scans can also make an ink appear much brighter.

#8 A Smug Dill

A Smug Dill

    ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.

  • FPN Supporter - Rhodium

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,194 posts
  • Location:Sydney, Australia
  • Flag:

Posted 23 May 2019 - 01:35

The ink looks blue in the pen but dries much more towards teal than review samples suggest.
I immediately suspected the Rhodia paper,


OK, let's try a different brand of paper:
fpn_1558575144__kwzi_walk_over_vistula_w


As always:  1. Implicit in everything and every instance I write on FPN is the invitation for you to judge me as a peer in the community. I think it's only due respect to take each other's written word in online discussion seriously and apply critical judgment.  2. I do not presume to judge for you what is right, correct or valid. If I make a claim, or refute a statement in a thread, and link to references and other information in support, I beseech you to review and consider those, and judge for yourself. I may be wrong. My position or say-so carries no more weight than anyone else's here, and external parties can speak for themselves with what they have published.  3. I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable. If it is something you can test for yourself and see the results, I entreat you to do so.

#9 Dip n Scratch

Dip n Scratch

    Vintage

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 443 posts
  • Location:Hull, UK
  • Flag:

Posted 23 May 2019 - 06:32

It is weird that under strong reflected sunlight appeared to be more towards teal, yet it loses the green hue on the photographs. I wondered if the ink sheened green, but it doesn't appear it did for A Smug Dill. It looks to have a red sheen by this member's sample. There's something about this ink that a camera doesn't pick up but our eyes do. I do not use a flatbed scanner.

 

The teal green effect reminds me of some fabric ink my mother used to ink name tapes to be sewn into items of school uniform.



#10 A Smug Dill

A Smug Dill

    ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.

  • FPN Supporter - Rhodium

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,194 posts
  • Location:Sydney, Australia
  • Flag:

Posted 23 May 2019 - 06:52

I wondered if the ink sheened green, but it doesn't appear it did for A Smug Dill. It looks to have a red sheen by this member's sample.


It's not a sample per se; I always acquire inks in full retail bottles. This one came from (the now defunct) Bureau Direct in the UK.
 

There's something about this ink that a camera doesn't pick up but our eyes do. I do not use a flatbed scanner.


Here's the thing: if you're looking for something that you personally like, then labelling it by colour or category isn't really important; how you feel about something upon seeing (or smelling, tasting, touching) it will hit you in the face, so to speak. On the other hand, if you really want to categorise things in an 'objective' manner with which others (say, in this forum) would agree, then don't just trust your eyes and your feelings, but use inanimate, non-sentient equipment that may not share or reflect your personal perceptions and preferences. That's why I make a point of including colour calibration charts in a lot of the photos and scans I produce, especially when the 'nature' or 'category' of something is in doubt, so that others can adjust their screen settings or whatever accordingly, instead of just either telling others what I see or showing only photos that confirm or emphasise my subjective perception.


Edited by A Smug Dill, 23 May 2019 - 06:59.

As always:  1. Implicit in everything and every instance I write on FPN is the invitation for you to judge me as a peer in the community. I think it's only due respect to take each other's written word in online discussion seriously and apply critical judgment.  2. I do not presume to judge for you what is right, correct or valid. If I make a claim, or refute a statement in a thread, and link to references and other information in support, I beseech you to review and consider those, and judge for yourself. I may be wrong. My position or say-so carries no more weight than anyone else's here, and external parties can speak for themselves with what they have published.  3. I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable. If it is something you can test for yourself and see the results, I entreat you to do so.

#11 Uncial

Uncial

    Donor Pen

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,269 posts
  • Flag:

Posted 23 May 2019 - 08:27

I think both Walk Over Vistula and Warsaw Dreaming were produced specifically to introduce blues to the KWZ range that had more green in them. My memory of that could be wrong, but I think they did say that when they were introduced.



#12 Karmachanic

Karmachanic

    Nibalitic

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,857 posts
  • Location:Tralfamador

Posted 23 May 2019 - 08:59

WoV is my go to ink at present. Blue with teal shading, using titanium nibs.


Edited by Karmachanic, 23 May 2019 - 08:59.

"Simplicate and add Lightness."


#13 Dip n Scratch

Dip n Scratch

    Vintage

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 443 posts
  • Location:Hull, UK
  • Flag:

Posted 23 May 2019 - 09:41

I was referring to a sample of writing. The example showing how it appears on various papers.

Not a sample tube of ink taken from a larger bottle.

 

Anyway... I don't understand how my Mk1 eyeball perceives the ink to lean towards teal, but my digital camera does not.

 

This ink is definitely better in a pen that writes rather dry.



#14 Lgsoltek

Lgsoltek

    Donor Pen

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,457 posts
  • Location:Paris, France (previously Beijing, China)
  • Flag:

Posted 23 May 2019 - 10:03

Teals are tricky to photograph. They always turn out much bluer than what I see. And the colour perceived changes a lot with different lighting.


Edited by Lgsoltek, 23 May 2019 - 11:56.


#15 A Smug Dill

A Smug Dill

    ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.

  • FPN Supporter - Rhodium

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,194 posts
  • Location:Sydney, Australia
  • Flag:

Posted 23 May 2019 - 10:59

Anyway... I don't understand how my Mk1 eyeball perceives the ink to lean towards teal, but my digital camera does not.


When I look at the colour calibration charts while taking the photos, depending on the lighting conditions and even time of day (e.g. if it's very late at night and I'm feeling tired), I often see the white square not as a neutral white colour, and the black square as being not as dark as the dark grey square next to it, so I've learnt not to trust just my eyes as to whether something is black or grey, white or off-white, red or magenta.

I actually think the $100 or so I spent on the commercially available colour calibration charts are a good investment for me in this hobby; those I trust to remain pretty much consistent all the time -- and I do keep them in opaque sleeves or in a drawer when not in use, to slow down any fading or discolouration due to exposure.
As always:  1. Implicit in everything and every instance I write on FPN is the invitation for you to judge me as a peer in the community. I think it's only due respect to take each other's written word in online discussion seriously and apply critical judgment.  2. I do not presume to judge for you what is right, correct or valid. If I make a claim, or refute a statement in a thread, and link to references and other information in support, I beseech you to review and consider those, and judge for yourself. I may be wrong. My position or say-so carries no more weight than anyone else's here, and external parties can speak for themselves with what they have published.  3. I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable. If it is something you can test for yourself and see the results, I entreat you to do so.

#16 Intensity

Intensity

    Antique

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,352 posts
  • Location:U.S.A.
  • Flag:

Posted 23 May 2019 - 21:18

Walk Over Vistula is not teal, but it’s a teal-leaning blue. To complicate matters, it sheens black-purple. Thus if you use it in a dry pen, you’ll see lighter tealy blue. If you use a wet writer, not only will the color be darker, but there will also be dark purple sheen and color shift, canceling out the green component.

“I admit it, I'm surprised that fountain pens are a hobby. ... it's a bit like stumbling into a fork convention - when you've used a fork all your life.” 


#17 A Smug Dill

A Smug Dill

    ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.

  • FPN Supporter - Rhodium

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,194 posts
  • Location:Sydney, Australia
  • Flag:

Posted 24 May 2019 - 00:47

This ink is definitely better in a pen that writes rather dry.

 
I'm getting confused now, as to whether you would like KWZ Ink Walk Over Vistula to appear more teal (as it would from a pen that writes 'dry') on the page or, as it appeared in Lgsoltek's review of it, more blue which you alluded to above as being good. The more thickly the ink is laid on the page, the bluer it will appear, as you can see from the colours from stacking 'rather dry' passes with a Pilot Parallel pen.

fpn_1558658645__kwzi_walk_over_vistula_i
As always:  1. Implicit in everything and every instance I write on FPN is the invitation for you to judge me as a peer in the community. I think it's only due respect to take each other's written word in online discussion seriously and apply critical judgment.  2. I do not presume to judge for you what is right, correct or valid. If I make a claim, or refute a statement in a thread, and link to references and other information in support, I beseech you to review and consider those, and judge for yourself. I may be wrong. My position or say-so carries no more weight than anyone else's here, and external parties can speak for themselves with what they have published.  3. I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable. If it is something you can test for yourself and see the results, I entreat you to do so.

#18 Dip n Scratch

Dip n Scratch

    Vintage

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 443 posts
  • Location:Hull, UK
  • Flag:

Posted 24 May 2019 - 09:40

This ink is certainly better in a drier writing pen than those I have. It also needs a nib/paper combo that gives more shading.

It is not a colour that I would buy a whole bottle of.

The sample told me what I needed to know without the expense of buying a full bottle.



#19 A Smug Dill

A Smug Dill

    ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.

  • FPN Supporter - Rhodium

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,194 posts
  • Location:Sydney, Australia
  • Flag:

Posted 24 May 2019 - 09:57

As far as I can tell, while this ink certainly has the potential to exhibit shading from teal to dark blue, trying to cajole shading out of it is foolhardy, since the sheen aspect will most likely overwhelm the shading aspect in normal handwriting (excluding using broad/stub nibs to do flamboyant lettering with x-height of 5mm or more, etc.), and I wouldn't classify or recommend it as a 'shading ink' — not that any ink needs to be a 'shading ink' to be a good and/or useful ink.


As always:  1. Implicit in everything and every instance I write on FPN is the invitation for you to judge me as a peer in the community. I think it's only due respect to take each other's written word in online discussion seriously and apply critical judgment.  2. I do not presume to judge for you what is right, correct or valid. If I make a claim, or refute a statement in a thread, and link to references and other information in support, I beseech you to review and consider those, and judge for yourself. I may be wrong. My position or say-so carries no more weight than anyone else's here, and external parties can speak for themselves with what they have published.  3. I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable. If it is something you can test for yourself and see the results, I entreat you to do so.

#20 Karmachanic

Karmachanic

    Nibalitic

  • Member - Gold

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,857 posts
  • Location:Tralfamador

Posted 24 May 2019 - 10:17

I, on the other hand, prefer a shading ink, and would definitely classify WoV as an outstanding member of that category. Whether an ink with shading potential actually shades depends very much on nib and paper. The wet, soft  ti nibs I use shade this ink beautifully, and differently, on TR, MD and Life. No longer use nails, so I can't speak to that.


"Simplicate and add Lightness."






Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: kwz, walk over vistula, lanbitou, 3059



Sponsored Content




|