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#1 KingRoach

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 02:29

Hi all.

 

What precise model and year is this pen, and which direction should the feed be knocked out? I suppose you knock it from the back so it comes out from the nib-side?

 

I'm asking because I have some unfinished business with this nib and I need to settle the score with it outside.

 

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Thanks in advance for your help.

 

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 02:53

What did the nib do?
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Posted 19 May 2019 - 11:29

What did the nib do?

 

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#4 PaulS

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 12:26

:lticaptd: looks to be an English made model 877 - I've never K.Od. one of these, and you can't knock it out in the usual way on a 'knocking out block', so can't help with that part of the question, sorry.        Probably early '50s, but guessing a tad here.

My 877s have g.f. bits, so possible this one which doesn't might be another No. ?            Model Nos. are usually on the barrel.


Edited by PaulS, 19 May 2019 - 12:34.


#5 KingRoach

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 17:12

There are no numbers on the barrel; just say "Waterman's, Made in France", and googling 877 returns a pen that has a different clip, and looks a bit longer. This is a shortish pen.

 

The nib needs to be disciplined.



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Posted 19 May 2019 - 18:44

:)  in that case you may have to whip it out.             The semi-hooded nib, chunky clutch ring, feed and off-set front end of the section, are similar to an 877, but as you say, the all metal cap and chrome fittings are different.            Since the front of the section is off-set I'm unsure how the insides are knocked out is the front end off-set?             Can't see this one in the Davis & Lehrer book, they weren't too ken on devoting paper to utility pens  -  how about a Crusader Taperite? - though have to say I don't have one for comparison.                        Assume the cap is metal and not plastic?


Edited by PaulS, 19 May 2019 - 18:50.


#7 Ernst Bitterman

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 22:51

The feed and point knock out the front in the traditional way. I made a cradle for the section out of Fimo, with a very broad front end on it so it could snug into a really big hole on the knock-out block without any danger of contact between pen parts and block. I also put a hose-clamp around the cradle to keep it from being split by the wedge shape of the section.

 

Soak long, and even more than usual it's a case of many many tiny taps with the mallet on the drift rather than one hefty smash. I think it took me a week to get it to start moving, and a couple of hours to get it loose once it had.

 

Funnily enough, stuffing things back in wasn't as much of a struggle. I suspect this is because with the section out of the cradle, there's no inward pressure being generated.

 

I'll try to remember to take a picture of the thing; I realize the description is not entirely adequate.


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#8 PaulS

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 07:48

thanks  -  yes, would appreciate seeing that.                Do you have an opinion on which model the op's pen is?



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Posted 22 May 2019 - 13:55

I appreciate that, Ernst. What I would really like to see is how the nib looks once it's out.



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Posted 22 May 2019 - 22:11

I appreciate that, Ernst. What I would really like to see is how the nib looks once it's out.

 

No picture of the tool yet, but I do have one of the dismantled section I can offer. It's not very interesting, although the pen at the head of this topic has a somewhat more decorative feed than the one I was dealing with. OH, while I'm here-- I don't think it's an 877 (or Citation, for us North Americans) because of the cap trim. Looking at the length of clip, whatever it is it's likely to have a model number ending in V to indicate a short "ladies'" version.

 

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Edited by Ernst Bitterman, 22 May 2019 - 22:15.

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 08:05

agree, it would need to be noticeably shorter to qualify as a Lady version - did those have a V designation, like the slightly shorter still Vest pocket pens?

There are a couple of Lady pens which appear to have all metal caps.      Perhaps the op can inform length of their pen. 



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Posted 25 May 2019 - 13:07

 

No picture of the tool yet, but I do have one of the dismantled section I can offer. It's not very interesting, although the pen at the head of this topic has a somewhat more decorative feed than the one I was dealing with. OH, while I'm here-- I don't think it's an 877 (or Citation, for us North Americans) because of the cap trim. Looking at the length of clip, whatever it is it's likely to have a model number ending in V to indicate a short "ladies'" version.

 

 

 

 

That is great, thank you so much .That is enough for me to see. Seems like I can knock it out of the front as usual, or if I can, just pull the nib out.

It's badly misaligned anyway. :(







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