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Wait.. That's A Twsbi? Twsbi Aurora

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#41 Freddy

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 16:40

Which TWSBI  pens use a number 6 nib..other than the  Micarta..Vac 700 and Vac 700R ?

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 19:45

Which TWSBI  pens use a number 6 nib..other than the  Micarta..Vac 700 and Vac 700R ?
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I thought the 580 did.

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 20:56

 

The name of this pen *clearly* refers to the atmospheric phenomena, the aurora borealis and aurora australis, *not* "sunrise" or "dawn", and *not* the Italian pen company.

I would NOT wish to defend that argument in a lawsuit. It may very well take no inspiration at all from a current Aurora pen design but 1. It's a fountain pen. 2. The Aurora Fountain Pen Co. established the brand name associated with pens in 1919.

 

It would be reasonable that a person (not as expert as those on this site) could confuse a fountain pen made by TWSBI named "Aurora" with the Italian company. That's enough to force a name change for this particular model if Aurora wanted to make an issue of this.

 

A.A. Waterman found this out the expensive way.



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Posted 03 April 2019 - 21:44

I would NOT wish to defend that argument in a lawsuit. It may very well take no inspiration at all from a current Aurora pen design but 1. It's a fountain pen. 2. The Aurora Fountain Pen Co. established the brand name associated with pens in 1919.
 
It would be reasonable that a person (not as expert as those on this site) could confuse a fountain pen made by TWSBI named "Aurora" with the Italian company. That's enough to force a name change for this particular model if Aurora wanted to make an issue of this.
 
A.A. Waterman found this out the expensive way.


Are names of products copywrightable, or must they be clearly trademarked? Can only one company make a "51 or "3003" or "149"? Does Aurora make a pen called the "Aurora"? Can you even trademark a name if it is a natural phenomenon, like "storm" or "sky" or "rain"? I don't know.

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 22:08

I thought the 580 did.

 

Nope - the 580's nib is a little broader across its horizontal "span"  than the nibs for the Diamond Mini / Eco / Vac Mini / Classic (and Go?), but technically they're both #5, and are paired with the same feed.  There *was* a teaser photo on TWSBI's Facebook page, 2 or 3 years ago now (?), of a 580-style pen with a #6 nib - but this hasn't yet been released, if indeed they ever do.

 

Edited to add: here's a photo of 3 TWSBI nib units, to illustrate the difference in nib style.  From top to bottom: Diamond Mini, Vac Mini, Diamond 580.

 

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Edited by Jamerelbe, 03 April 2019 - 22:15.


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Posted 03 April 2019 - 22:48

 Can you even trademark a name if it is a natural phenomenon, like "storm" or "sky" or "rain"? I don't know.

Trademarks, I believe, are like dissertations- the more narrow in scope, the more likely they are to succeed. So to choose your example from natural phenomenon,  Chevy had a trademark on the name "Nova" for an automobile. Chevy didn't own the name Nova (there's a PBS science series of the same name), but Kawasaki likely would have a problem if they named a motorcycle "The Nova" even though cars and motorcycles are  different. To defend their trademark, Chevy would just need to argue that it's reasonable to assume the average person might conflate the Chevy Nova automobile with a vehicle from Kawasaki with the exact same name.

 

I think TWSBI naming a line of pens the Aurora is a bit risky- as would naming it "The Parker" or "White Mountain"



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Posted 03 April 2019 - 23:16

I think TWSBI naming a line of pens the Aurora is a bit risky-

What is the basis for your reasoning...Regulations..Precedents..Statutes........Why is it a bit risky?

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Posted 04 April 2019 - 00:44

Trademarks, I believe, are like dissertations- the more narrow in scope, the more likely they are to succeed. So to choose your example from natural phenomenon,  Chevy had a trademark on the name "Nova" for an automobile. Chevy didn't own the name Nova (there's a PBS science series of the same name), but Kawasaki likely would have a problem if they named a motorcycle "The Nova" even though cars and motorcycles are  different. To defend their trademark, Chevy would just need to argue that it's reasonable to assume the average person might conflate the Chevy Nova automobile with a vehicle from Kawasaki with the exact same name.
 
I think TWSBI naming a line of pens the Aurora is a bit risky- as would naming it "The Parker" or "White Mountain"


Ok, but no one "reasonably"conflates motorcycles with cars.

I actually wouldn't myself do what TWSBI has done here. Kind of weird, really. Almost like a middle finger to the Italian maker. Or really naive/negligent.

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Posted 04 April 2019 - 03:59

What is the basis for your reasoning...Regulations..Precedents..Statutes........Why is it a bit risky?

The responsibility for protecting a trademark lies solely with the holder and if they allow several small incursions go by and decide down the road to pursue a different infringement, the precedent of not protecting their trademark previously will make it harder to do so at present. Therefore, it's in the best interest, and common practice, for trademark holders not to let even little incursions go by unchallenged. But different companies have different tolerance (and budget) for litigiousness. Apple and Disney... super litigious. You don't even look at them sideways. I have no idea about Aurora.

 

 

Ok, but no one "reasonably"conflates motorcycles with cars.

While it's true no one reasonably conflates a car called Nova and a television show of the same name (which is not about cars); a car and motorcycle are vehicles so they could be confused as being manufactured by the same company. E.g. BMW makes both cars and motorcycles, as does Honda. Kawasaki makes motorcycles, outboard motors and jet skis. The vehicles themselves may be easy to differentiate, but the companies that made them less so in the public's mind if they shared the same name.



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Posted 07 July 2019 - 17:43

That is a really nice looking pen. I think it's a big step up for TWSBI.


Yeah, as long as it doesn’t crack

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 01:20

from what I'm looking at it seems to use the Classic's inner frame with an Acrylic overlay so the problem zones will be the same as any twsbi pen notably the feed collar





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