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#21 OMASsimo

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 19:45

I wouldn't worry about the nib collar at all, I'd much rather focus on the nib. There is quite a variance among the vintage Pelikan nibs in my experience but they are all outstanding writers. Some of the 400NN nibs are particularly flexible. But most of my Pelikans have less flex than my Osmias or Kawecos of the same time. On the other side, they are less finicky to write with. The easiest way to have some mild line variation without any effort is to get an OM nib. Oblique nibs were very common in Germany, so they are widely available.

 

I don't have a suggestion for a particular ink. It's just such a matter of taste. But be assured that the old Pelikans can cope with practically any common ink. These are the pens which give me the least trouble with critical inks and lousy paper.



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Posted 15 March 2019 - 20:45

Beautiful link, Mana.

The war CN nibs are said by many to be semi-flex at least or better superflex...........mine was and is regular flex.... :( :angry:.

 

Sometimes I wonder if the poster knows the difference....after all regular flex the nib bends and has tine spread. For the longest time, I spoke of regular flex...that was normal issue of new pens back in B&W TV days...............nobody seems to know about it today. Pelikan 200, the '82-97 Pelikan 400's  and the W.Germany to '97 600 were regular flex.....Esterbrook, Wearever and Sheaffer had pens with that normal issue flex...............Those with Japanese pens know regular flex as 'soft'.

 

There has been some that thought regular flex was semi-flex because the tines bent and spread. :o

 

I'm being a bit hard......................it was just none who had regular flex it seemed. What I knew as normal, is unknown...perhaps more to the alien-ship of the term regular flex....and not knowing which Sheaffer was regular flex back in vintage days. Sheaffer had many flexes from anil up to semi-flex................there were Esterbrook regular flex, along with Wearever and Venus. (Not and never Parker from  the early 30's and before.)

 

War CN nibs said nothing....or I'd told the guy I bought the CN nib to make sure it was at least semi-flex. Mine was regular flex.... :wacko:....when all that had such nibs raved about them....I was expecting maxi-semi-flex or superflex........................not regular flex. :gaah:  :wallbash:  They made that nib in at least two flexes.

 

A while back and even now to many in the States, semi-flex is/was rare...so perhaps they didn't know the difference between regular flex and semi-flex. Regular flex has become rare in our modern vocabulary.

 

Pelikan Steno nibs...........was always on the com...superflex.

A pal in England I trans-mailed, in some folks in Germany trust only German post office, refuse to mail outside of Germany, so I trans-mailed. A Pelikan Steno nib came to me for trans-mailing.....and it was not the superflex that everyone indicated they were.....but only regular flex......not even the semi-flex so common in that era. 

 

So do take care and mail questions when you buy, so you can send the CN or Steno nib back for not having enough flex as you thought by your reading it would have.

 

Do remember many sellers don't know what semi-flex is much less superflex.

Be aware some think semi-flex is a flex nib. After all...flex is in the name. :rolleyes:


Edited by Bo Bo Olson, 15 March 2019 - 21:15.

German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany & https://www.peter-bo...cts/nib-systems,

 

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 00:06

I am not going to ink match the pen. I need the ink color to be either brown or blue-black.

 

 

 I'd highly recommend Pelikan Blue/Black.

 

 It's an ink that really compensates for the fire-hose writer that you'll be receiving.



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Posted 16 March 2019 - 00:14

Vintage Pelikans are not fire hose writers unless somebody tweaked the nib.



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Posted 16 March 2019 - 03:15

Beautiful link, Mana.

The war CN nibs are said by many to be semi-flex at least or better superflex...........mine was and is regular flex.... :( :angry:.

 

Sometimes I wonder if the poster knows the difference....after all regular flex the nib bends and has tine spread. For the longest time, I spoke of regular flex...that was normal issue of new pens back in B&W TV days...............nobody seems to know about it today. Pelikan 200, the '82-97 Pelikan 400's  and the W.Germany to '97 600 were regular flex.....Esterbrook, Wearever and Sheaffer had pens with that normal issue flex...............Those with Japanese pens know regular flex as 'soft'.

 

There has been some that thought regular flex was semi-flex because the tines bent and spread. :o

 

I'm being a bit hard......................it was just none who had regular flex it seemed. What I knew as normal, is unknown...perhaps more to the alien-ship of the term regular flex....and not knowing which Sheaffer was regular flex back in vintage days. Sheaffer had many flexes from anil up to semi-flex................there were Esterbrook regular flex, along with Wearever and Venus. (Not and never Parker from  the early 30's and before.)

 

War CN nibs said nothing....or I'd told the guy I bought the CN nib to make sure it was at least semi-flex. Mine was regular flex.... :wacko:....when all that had such nibs raved about them....I was expecting maxi-semi-flex or superflex........................not regular flex. :gaah:  :wallbash:  They made that nib in at least two flexes.

 

A while back and even now to many in the States, semi-flex is/was rare...so perhaps they didn't know the difference between regular flex and semi-flex. Regular flex has become rare in our modern vocabulary.

 

Pelikan Steno nibs...........was always on the com...superflex.

A pal in England I trans-mailed, in some folks in Germany trust only German post office, refuse to mail outside of Germany, so I trans-mailed. A Pelikan Steno nib came to me for trans-mailing.....and it was not the superflex that everyone indicated they were.....but only regular flex......not even the semi-flex so common in that era. 

 

So do take care and mail questions when you buy, so you can send the CN or Steno nib back for not having enough flex as you thought by your reading it would have.

 

Do remember many sellers don't know what semi-flex is much less superflex.

Be aware some think semi-flex is a flex nib. After all...flex is in the name. :rolleyes:

Thank you for your detailed suggestion and sharing your experience.


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Posted 16 March 2019 - 03:19

 

 

 I'd highly recommend Pelikan Blue/Black.

 

 It's an ink that really compensates for the fire-hose writer that you'll be receiving.

 

Then i will buy Pelikan 4001 Blue/Black ink for my first pen.

 

I also need a second ink as i am going to buy two pens.

 

Can you recommend a good brown color ink for my second pen?

 

Thanks in advance.


Edited by dinupravin, 16 March 2019 - 03:20.

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 12:19

4001 blue-black is a world classic.

I do not collect blue black ink.................and I don't know how or why I have seven different ones of them.

 

Herbin Lie de Thee` is a tea brown ink....for @ E10 (small bottle).............now that MB is asking E19 for it's normal shoe inks, I'll not be buying anymore, Toffee. Both are shading inks.

Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Brown is a red hued brown. Shades.....

Shading inks require 90g copy paper, laser paper would be better.

Pelikan's Edelsteine inks, Smoky Quartz, E16, a nice brownish ink. Similar to Lie de Thee`. Fancy bottle. 

 

No Ink Jet paper, that feathers because it has to absorb ink fast. Laser-Ink Jet paper is a compromise. Look for a laser only paper.


German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany & https://www.peter-bo...cts/nib-systems,

 

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 18:36

4001 blue-black is a world classic.

I do not collect blue black ink.................and I don't know how or why I have seven different ones of them.

 

Herbin Lie de Thee` is a tea brown ink....for @ E10 (small bottle).............now that MB is asking E19 for it's normal shoe inks, I'll not be buying anymore, Toffee. Both are shading inks.

Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Brown is a red hued brown. Shades.....

Shading inks require 90g copy paper, laser paper would be better.

Pelikan's Edelsteine inks, Smoky Quartz, E16, a nice brownish ink. Similar to Lie de Thee`. Fancy bottle. 

 

No Ink Jet paper, that feathers because it has to absorb ink fast. Laser-Ink Jet paper is a compromise. Look for a laser only paper.

Thank you for your detailed suggestion. 


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Posted 17 March 2019 - 02:26

 

Then i will buy Pelikan 4001 Blue/Black ink for my first pen.

 

I also need a second ink as i am going to buy two pens.

 

Can you recommend a good brown color ink for my second pen?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

 What will the second pen be?

 

 I am by no means an expert on brown inks, but the one that I plan on buying soon would be Rohrer and Klinger Sepia.

 

 I have also heard good things about Waterman Absolute Brown, but I think others can chime in.

 

 Personally, I am fairly paranoid about my pens, so I choose from well-established companies that have little to no problems reported.

 

 I am sure that Pelikan, R&K, and Waterman fit the bill, as well as Diamine, Pilot and many others.

 

 Diamine inks are EXCELLENT too, and they must have a few browns...

 

 I hope that helps...



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Posted 17 March 2019 - 08:55

 

 

 What will the second pen be?

 

 I am by no means an expert on brown inks, but the one that I plan on buying soon would be Rohrer and Klinger Sepia.

 

 I have also heard good things about Waterman Absolute Brown, but I think others can chime in.

 

 Personally, I am fairly paranoid about my pens, so I choose from well-established companies that have little to no problems reported.

 

 I am sure that Pelikan, R&K, and Waterman fit the bill, as well as Diamine, Pilot and many others.

 

 Diamine inks are EXCELLENT too, and they must have a few browns...

 

 I hope that helps...

My Second pen is going to be Pelikan M800 or M1000


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Posted 17 March 2019 - 16:04

My Second pen is going to be Pelikan M800 or M1000

 

 

 Good to know.

 

 If ya use crappy paper like me, than I have also heard good things about Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Brown.

 

 Drier inks, IMHO, go along very well with Pelikans because they work on all types of papers.

 

 I can't even say that for Waterman inks, (which are known to be the safest inks out there, yet I find them too wet for my 140).



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Posted 17 March 2019 - 18:40

 

 

 Good to know.

 

 If ya use crappy paper like me, than I have also heard good things about Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Brown.

 

 Drier inks, IMHO, go along very well with Pelikans because they work on all types of papers.

 

 I can't even say that for Waterman inks, (which are known to be the safest inks out there, yet I find them too wet for my 140).

I am going to go for Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Brown. Thanks for your suggestions.


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Posted 17 March 2019 - 20:27

4001 blue-black is a world classic.
I do not collect blue black ink.................and I don't know how or why I have seven different ones of them.
 
Herbin Lie de Thee` is a tea brown ink....for @ E10 (small bottle).............now that MB is asking E19 for it's normal shoe inks, I'll not be buying anymore, Toffee. Both are shading inks.
Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Brown is a red hued brown. Shades.....
Shading inks require 90g copy paper, laser paper would be better.
Pelikan's Edelsteine inks, Smoky Quartz, E16, a nice brownish ink. Similar to Lie de Thee`. Fancy bottle. 
 
No Ink Jet paper, that feathers because it has to absorb ink fast. Laser-Ink Jet paper is a compromise. Look for a laser only paper.


I, too, use both the Herbin Lie De Tie & Edelstein Smoky Quartz in my Tortoise Pelikan 400. I am very happy with them both.

Edited by Seney724, 17 March 2019 - 20:27.


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Posted 18 March 2019 - 01:27

I am going to go for Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Brown. Thanks for your suggestions.

 

 I am thinking of that ink too.

 

 Do let me know how it works out on your Pelikan...



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Posted 18 March 2019 - 01:34

I, too, use both the Herbin Lie De Tie & Edelstein Smoky Quartz in my Tortoise Pelikan 400. I am very happy with them both.

Good for you  :)

 

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 01:34

 

 I am thinking of that ink too.

 

 Do let me know how it works out on your Pelikan...

 

I will let you know.


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Posted 23 March 2019 - 17:59

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Mine's a 400. The only mark on the cap band is a tiny + (crisper than shown here) stamped beneath the clip to the slight left:

 

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~ S.


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Posted 23 March 2019 - 18:19

8Vt4lM7.jpg

 

snfjmSS.jpg

 

EsBNk8s.jpg

 

aU9zAKh.jpg

 

PEIxyAs.jpg

 

Mine's a 400. The only mark on the cap band is a tiny + (crisper than shown here) stamped beneath the clip to the slight left:

 

7u9LEjE.jpg

 

~ S.

Gorgeous pen. Nice Flex


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Posted 24 March 2019 - 20:33

ST is a steno nib...............that one shows superflex. :notworthy1: :thumbup:

I had one pass through my hands, trans-mailing it for a pal in England in some Idiots in Germany refuse to ship out of Germany............it though was only regular flex not super flex. :(

I was happy it was not mine.


German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany & https://www.peter-bo...cts/nib-systems,

 

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Posted 25 March 2019 - 03:10

ST is a steno nib...............that one shows superflex. :notworthy1: :thumbup:

I had one pass through my hands, trans-mailing it for a pal in England in some Idiots in Germany refuse to ship out of Germany............it though was only regular flex not super flex. :(

I was happy it was not mine.

 

Thanks for your insight.


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