Is This Common?

[mitto]

This.

 

 

 

 

 

It is cap actuated like most of other Parker ballpoint pens.

Edited December 26, 2018 by mitto

[mitto]

The size is the same as that of the cap actuated pencil.

 

 

The ballpoint is on the right with the refill tip in retracted positiion. When the refill tip is extended the nozzle size becomes exatcly the same as that of the pencil.

Edited December 26, 2018 by mitto

[PaulS]

according to the book, I don't think this item should exist Your English is exemplary, usually Khan, but just for the sake of clarity I assume when you say "size becomes exactly the same", you mean the same in length of the nozzle. Presumably the hole in the nozzle of the ball pen would need to be a larger diameter than that of the pencil to accommodate the tip of the refill.

 

Whatever, it would seem you have an interesting and very unusual item, congratulations.

[mitto]

Yes, Paul. The hole in the nozzle on the ballpoint is larger in diameter as can be seen in the picture. And yes, I meant the length of the nozzle on the ballpoint pen becomes the same as on the pencil when the rifill tip is extended (again as can be seen in picture 2 in my opening post).

 

Thank you for correcting me, Paul.

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[PaulS]

Not a correction Khan - just clarifying for my own benefit as I don't always see what others mean when they write - I'm getting old, and nearly 39 now

Can only assume that this '51 ball pen mimicking the pencil' must have had a limited production run - the deafening response would certainly seem to indicate that.

[mitto]

I wonder why such pens have been taking the route that lead to my doorsteps.

 

Here is another such pen. Though it is a FP. And there are many more that I have been posting here from time to time.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/340305-dark-chocolate-brown-51/

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[mitto]

Edited.

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[ThomasB]

Could it be a "converted" Liquid Lead pencil? I seem to recall it can be done. Does it by chance have "LL" imprinted on it?

[mitto]

Could it be a "converted" Liquid Lead pencil? I seem to recall it can be done. Does it by chance have "LL" imprinted on it?

Doesn't look to be converted. And no LL on the barrel. It says 'Parker 51 Made In England' .

 

 

[mitto]

It came as part of a English made FP BP(?) set with R. Silver caps.

 

 

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[joss]

Could it be a "converted" Liquid Lead pencil? I seem to recall it can be done. Does it by chance have "LL" imprinted on it?

 

Doesn't look to be converted. And no LL on the barrel. It says 'Parker 51 Made In England' .

 

 

An adapted Liquid lead pencil was my first thought too but the liquid lead nozzle is even shorter than the nozzle on this ballpoint.

An anomalous English Parker 51 ballpoint then?

[mitto]

Well, whatever it is, it is not an adapted or converted piece. It looks original and it drmonstrates no signs of customization or conversion, whatsoever. I am enjoying it as a unique item.

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[Wahl]

I wonder why such pens have been taking the route that lead to my doorsteps.

 

 

 

They know they come to a good home

[FarmBoy]

You most likely have a late (MK III) "51" Jotter Pencil (item number 6-800-5, cartridge pencil) that has the wrong cartridge in it. It should have the Jotter pencil insert with eraser instead of a standard Jotter cartridge.

[mitto]

A late MKIII pencil with metal threads and barrel imprints?

[doggle2]

 

Doesn't your pencil look quite similar to the pen near the middle of this page?

http://parker51.com/index.php/site-updates/

 

That site describes it as a prototype--maybe the Newhaven factory put it into mass production?

[mitto]

Doesn't your pencil look quite similar to the pen near the middle of this page?

http://parker51.com/index.php/site-updates/

 

That site describes it as a prototype--maybe the Newhaven factory put it into mass production?

 

Yes, it looks exactly the same. And, what a co-incedence! Ernesto says it was made in 1954. And the nib on the accompanying 51 FP of my set is inscribed 'Made in England RU 1954'.

I am going to send an email to Ernesto.

Edited December 31, 2018 by mitto

[mitto]

Thank you, doggle2, for providing the link.

[jchch1950]

I wonder why such pens have been taking the route that lead to my doorsteps.

 

The power of knowledge.

[mitto]

You most likely have a late (MK III) "51" Jotter Pencil (item number 6-800-5, cartridge pencil) that has the wrong cartridge in it. It should have the Jotter pencil insert with eraser instead of a standard Jotter cartridge.

The BP is listed by Ernesto as (1954) prototype.

 

 

 

Here:

 

http://parker51.com/index.php/site-updates/

Edited December 31, 2018 by mitto