Fake Safari With Non-Cardboard Ring?

[lucraak]

Is this a fake or is this a proper old one? Especially the plastic ring is something that worries me.

 

https://imgur.com/a/08tfUzH

 

 

[tamiya]

No idea, your pic is too fuzzy & underexposed.

 

More importantly WHERE are you buying it from? Providence of seller is best indicator of authenticity imho.

[ParkerDuofold]

Hi Lucraak,

 

Based on the limited evidence before this court; I would say...

 

...run like the wind... away from it.

 

Be well.

 

 

- Anthony

[ErrantSmudge]

If you have to ask whether or not it is a fake, you already have your answer.

[Astronymus]

The gloss doesn't seem right.

[lucraak]

Tnx for the input ...

 

I ran away from it

[ErrantSmudge]

The gloss doesn't seem right.

 

I agree. The gloss on the plastic looks like the Jinhao 599 Safari clones I have. There's a hint of transparency in the gloss that real Safaris don't have.

[ParkerDuofold]

Tnx for the input ...

 

I ran away from it

Good call, Lucraak.

 

 

- A.C.

[jungkind]

I have a few with the Plastic ring, all very early pens with unmarked nib. I always understood that the plastic ring was used in the early days before the carton ring was introduced and they were made from the same tube material the blind cap was made of. I have seen them in black and the material that that is shown in the photo. The very early red Safari with black clip has a slightly darker color than the later ones.

 

Hope one of the Lamy Safari gurus can correct me if I am wrong.

[chravagni]

Ask for better pictures and more info. In the older ones the cross on the cap should be in metal, the nib unmarked. It doesnt seem very much different from my older red one (the lower in the picture, the dark one, that I've buyed in 1991. The upper has still the black clip, but is a tad lighter and had already the cardboard ring)

 

But you have to be sure before buying it and your picture is not enough. Sadly I don't remember if my older had a plastic ring.

Chiara

 

Edited because of typos

Edited December 17, 2018 by chravagni

[Astronymus]

I can't remember any plastic rings. But it's nothing I payed attention in the 80s.

[bbbbbenson]

I have a few with the Plastic ring, all very early pens with unmarked nib. I always understood that the plastic ring was used in the early days before the carton ring was introduced and they were made from the same tube material the blind cap was made of. I have seen them in black and the material that that is shown in the photo. The very early red Safari with black clip has a slightly darker color than the later ones.

 

Hope one of the Lamy Safari gurus can correct me if I am wrong.

 

Ohh！thanks for sharing.you're absolutely right in this case.

I am also collecting lamy safaries made in W.gemerny.I already have red,black and white ones which made in 80s..but so far,I still lack the lamy safari demonstrator and seeking for it.....

 

would you mind showing some pics of your collection?

 

Benson

[jungkind]

Here are the 3 examples I have with plastic rings

 

 

[Astronymus]

A demonstrator (not Vista). So this was a phase around...?

[jungkind]

...according to Woody's definition, these are second and third generation Safaris, end of the 80's, beginning of the 90's.

 

My caveat, none of my Safari was bought new during this time frame and I have a savanna one with a cardboard ring (without imprint), which should be even older. Therefore I cannot vouch that they were sold this way or the rings are a later addition by a collector or seller.

[Uffuffa]

Is this a fake or is this a proper old one? Especially the plastic ring is something that worries me.

 

https://imgur.com/a/08tfUzH

 

 

Think Ill chime in... Ive been collecting Safari for years and can confirm that some early models did come with plastic rings although I cannot give dates. That photo looks legit to me and the plastic ring is reassuring as it is appropriate for the age of the pen. I too would ask more questions to be more certain but my first impression is that this is a genuine Safari and that the red is probably from the 1st gen of reds that were produced: metal screw, darker red colour, made in W.Germany. The Germany ones were a different shade of red.

 

By the way, that demonstrator caught my eye...! Is that a Germany or W.Germany one?

[jungkind]

It's a Germany one

[Astronymus]

So post the 3rd October of 1990.