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#1 corgicoupe

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 23:09

While testing some Esterbrook stubs, reliefs, and italic nibs I made what I thought was an interesting discovery. Authorities usually state that whereas 9xxx nibs are tipped, 2xxx nibs have the tines folded over [or rolled over] to simulate the tipping. However, viewing under a microscope seemed to reveal that neither the 2312 Italic nor the 2284 Signature Stub [AKA Falcon or Jackson Stub] had folded over tines. I believe all my other 2xxx nibs fit the pattern of folded over nibs, Has anyone else documented this?


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 19:02

I think this had been noted in a thread here, but back as far as 2012 or so, about the time I started with Esterbrooks, but I think it was just noted, with nothing further said, especially as far as nib wear is concerned.  I don't think it occurred to any of us that these nibs might wear pretty quickly.  I tried to search for the thread, but haven't found it. 


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Posted 17 December 2018 - 13:30

Steel stub nibs, no matter the manufacturer, modern or vintage, are rarely folded over. They may be tipped, but I’ve never seen a folded one. But I’m sure as soon as I say that someone will show a whole host of them to prove me wrong. And thus goes my life.

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Posted 18 December 2018 - 23:04

I received my 2312 Italic nib today, and I can state with certainty that it does not have the tines folded over like many 2xxx nibs. I have not yet heard back from my inquiry about the 2284 nib, but mine does not appear to have folded tines and there is no evidence that the nib was ground to remove the folded section.

 

I also looked at Brian Anderson's Esterbrook nibs, and it is very clear from his images that the 2048 does not have folded times. I also looked at my 2048 and I see exactly what Brian has on his listing. I don't have a 2550, and his photo only shows a top and bottom view, so it's not possible to know if it's folded.

 

Edit: I discovered that I do, in fact, have a 2550 nib in a box and like the 2048 it does not have the folded tines.

 

It might be interesting to speculate why some of the 2xxx nibs are not folded, whereas most of them are.


Edited by corgicoupe, 19 December 2018 - 00:47.

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 02:29

So, here's some more details...Yes, the 2284 has the folded-over tines.  I think the NOS nib I have may be better than the 9284 I have in my M2.

 

There are at least two other nibs with no tipping at all, and both appear to be for office work - the 1554 Clerical and the 2550 Posting.



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Posted 19 December 2018 - 12:46

Dibs on the 2284? Check your PM.

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Posted 23 December 2018 - 00:49

I have a 2460 nib with no folded tipping. I don't know if it wore down or if it came new like this. It writes a medium italic line, so it might have been stubbed before I got it.

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Posted 23 December 2018 - 13:39

What does the feed look like? The bottom of my 2284 is rounded but smooth. (Paul Hoban called it a gunboat feed.)

I recently saw a photo of a 2284 with a folded nib tip but with the usual comb feed.

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Posted 24 December 2018 - 02:31

Flat and thin and smooth.  I think it's an older feed.  The nib on this pen is similar.  https://www.ebay.com...Box!49286!US!-1

 

Somehow the 9460 nib doesn't seem related as I would have surmised.


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Posted 24 December 2018 - 03:06

I only have an oblique stub 9314 but it ain't folded over.



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Posted 24 December 2018 - 03:09

I only have an oblique stub 9314 but it ain't folded over.

9XXX nibs all have real tipping.


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Posted 24 December 2018 - 12:57

I'm beginning to think that some of the earlier 2xxx nibs with flat feeds or what Paul Hoban called "gunboat feeds" (rounded but smooth) did not have folded over tines.

 

Edited to say "did not have folded over tines."


Edited by corgicoupe, 24 December 2018 - 17:38.

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Posted 24 December 2018 - 17:13

Probably.  A lot of the untipped nibs we find are likely worn down.  This makes me wonder how often people had to replace a nib in these pens, and how expensive it could get.  Were the 1xxx and 2xxx nibs a false economy?


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Posted 24 December 2018 - 17:21

Probably.  A lot of the untipped nibs we find are likely worn down.  This makes me wonder how often people had to replace a nib in these pens, and how expensive it could get.  Were the 1xxx and 2xxx nibs a false economy?

 

People did a lot more writing back then, too.  Wasn't that part of the Esterbrook appeal?  You could replace your nib rather than have to go out and get a new pen.



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Posted 25 December 2018 - 01:08

 

People did a lot more writing back then, too.  Wasn't that part of the Esterbrook appeal?  You could replace your nib rather than have to go out and get a new pen.

 

Some of these nibs can wear pretty fast.  Modest wear on a 2312 italic, for example, occurs fast, changing the shape of the nib and requiring reshaping.  You might find your italic is a right oblique or a right and left oblique, looking like an arrow.  The tipped nibs are a more economical choice in all probability.  I am glad the school provided a Scripto and that my mother bought Sheaffer.


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Posted 28 December 2018 - 15:36

Probably.  A lot of the untipped nibs we find are likely worn down.  This makes me wonder how often people had to replace a nib in these pens, and how expensive it could get.  Were the 1xxx and 2xxx nibs a false economy?

I think new nibs, un-tipped, were 25 cents. That was on a pen which "cost" $1.00. Depending on what a comparable pen (first or second tier cost, that might have been a real economy rather than being short sighted.

 

Also, remember that Osmiroid also had rolled tipped nibs. If I recall correctly they were called "Rolatip".


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