Waterman Man 100 C/f Cartridge/converter 1983

[aurore]

Did any Man 100 ever used C/F cartridges/converters instead of modern ones?

I have seen a 1983 piece in the original box that included C/F converter and a pack of C/F cartridges. A bit confusing...

[Mr.Rene]

I think it is a mistake.Waterman Man 100 takes new converter and cartridges (European size) in actual production. Regards

Edited November 14, 2018 by Mr.Rene

[aurore]

I think it is a mistake.Waterman Man 100 takes new converter and cartridges (European size) in actual production. Regards

Even the earliest version made in 1983?

[Francois_uk]

I can only reply based on my own experience, but I believe this is the case.

 

My very first Man 100 was the 1983 version and was offered to me as a birthday gift not long after it was released in the shops. The first box was as per pictures enclosed and contained a CF type converter.

 

http://www.chezrossi.net/pen/Man_100_1983_Box1_A.jpg

 

The box has a single Waterman logo and has a velvet-like cover.

 

Inside, you have the special 1883-1983 lettering on the ribbon as well as the leather case.

 

http://www.chezrossi.net/pen/Man_100_1983_Box1_B.jpg

 

Underneath, this is what it contained, unchanged from when I got it.

 

http://www.chezrossi.net/pen/Man_100_1983_Box1_C.jpg

 

 

Later on, I purchased a second Man 100 1983. This time, the box looks a bit different. Still the velvet-like cover, but with more logo imprinted. Also, the converter is no longer a CF.

 

http://www.chezrossi.net/pen/Man_100_1983_Box2_A.jpg

 

http://www.chezrossi.net/pen/Man_100_1983_Box3_A.jpg

 

Finally, a second gen Man 100. This time, the box is a leatherette type cover and the same converter.

 

http://www.chezrossi.net/pen/Man_100_1983_Box4.jpg

 

I can say for definite that my earlier box never got the imprints you see on box 2 (i.e. not like they were there but faded over time) and the box did come with the converter you see.

 

Could it be that the shop kept the converter like that of box 2 and put a CF instead? Could be. I cannot even tell if the CF converter can be use with the Man 100 as I've always used the Waterman cartridges with it.

[RMN]

Not sure that squeeze converter is a CF. AFAIK the Man 100 was not a CF type pen. (correct me if I'm wrong)

Interesting is that all boxes have the 23 type cartridges. I have yet to find out the designation of the various numbers. There is also an 88 type cartridge.

 

Perhaps 23 was the current type and they dropped the number later on when they stopped making different sizes?

 

 

 

D.ick

[KZ900]

here are some cartridges I have that are similar to yours..

 

What year do you think they are from?

Tim

[Left FPN]

I have a late 1980's early 90's catalogue which shows that converter (post #4, third picture) and it's termed an 89508 CF Metal convertor (as typed).

 

The catalogue also shows the later 56010 Metal convertor (as typed) with screw and 56002 Plastic + Metal convertor (as typed)

 

So perhaps they all fit the modern pens.

 

Yet, my 1988 dealers catalogue shows bottled ink but no converters.

 

[Francois_uk]

I have just looked at a CF cartridge and a type 23 cartridge. The CF is just shorter. It seems that both have the same diameter. So the CF metal converter could well be used with a Man 100.

[Xof72000]

Let's make it a little bit more complicated ... ... : there are several types of Waterman "23" cartridges !

 

What I think is that Waterman used to call "23" its 'standard" size cartridges. As anyone knows, the "standard" has evoluated over the years, and the previous "23" cartridges wouldn't fit in a Man 100 body : they had a kind of excrescence on their body :

 

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i404/Xof72000/SAM_7673_zpsov1dyqkn.jpg

[Francois_uk]

Here is a picture of the different types of no 23 cartridges. The picture above shows the old type. Not a pack design I can recall being sold in France, but I may be wrong. The photo below shows the old 88 type sold in the 60's. Then the new 23 standard introduced in the 70's, the one from the 80's that is not washable, and the one from the 80's that is washable. The difference is in the shoulder that goes into the nib section, much longer in the old type. You need this old type with a Line 60 for example. The other 3 fit a Man 100 and later.

 

http://www.chezrossi.net/pen/Waterman_cartridges.jpg

Edited February 6, 2019 by Francois_uk

[RMN]

Let's make it a little bit more complicated ... ... : there are several types of Waterman "23" cartridges !

 

What I think is that Waterman used to call "23" its 'standard" size cartridges. As anyone knows, the "standard" has evoluated over the years, and the previous "23" cartridges wouldn't fit in a Man 100 body : they had a kind of excrescence on their body :

 

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i404/Xof72000/SAM_7673_zpsov1dyqkn.jpg

 

 

Here is a picture of the different types of no 23 cartridges. The picture above shows the old type. Not a pack design I can recall being sold in France, but I may be wrong. The photo below shows the old 88 type sold in the 60's. Then the new 23 standard introduced in the 70's, the one from the 80's that is not washable, and the one from the 80's that is washable. The difference is in the shoulder that goes into the nib section, much longer in the old type. You need this old type with a Line 60 for example. The other 3 fit a Man 100 and later.

 

http://www.chezrossi.net/pen/Waterman_cartridges.jpg

 

Yes, but note that they are 88-23 cartridges, a different size/type from the regular 23.

 

 

D.ick