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#1 EdwardSouthgate

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 17:53

Latest burds winging my way . Green stripe , not sure if its 400N or an NN . Seller says an OB nib , box end says M but some one has written F beside the M . Is it an N or NN ? Cost me $99.99 and shipping .

 

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 17:56

Golly, those old Pelikans are elegant! And with box and papers to boot! Very nice find 😄

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 18:04

Next Bird is a 100 from WWII . CN nib seller says M-B (?)  Pelikan Patent on cap with no metal cap bands . Green stripe . Seller says 2nd version filler with resin (?) piston that has been serviced .Assuming he means plastic and rubber rather than cork , not really up on such things , Has the ebonite feed with three Lamellas . Gave $137.00 and shipping from Germany .

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 18:07

Wow, and that one's even prettier than the first 😍

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 18:08

100N , CN OM nib . $170.00 and Free Shipping .

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 18:19

Also picked up two bottles of Parker Micro Film Black ( 1-2oz and 1-4oz ) with Vmail marked boxes , a 1pt Crock of Stephens #35 Scarlet , 6 Parker Quink 2oz in the old WWII era boxes ( Less than $12 Canadian ! )  in red and 2 -2oz Quink Blue Black also old school packaged . Been a busy week , guess I am through buying Birthday and Christmas for myself !! I try to make it as easy on my wife as I can .

 

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 19:04

My goodness quite a flock! Congrats!


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 19:04

Pretty big gash on that 400NN's nib. OB....don't worry about the box, and remember one can change the nib.

The  first 100N, with the war cap, ink window should be amber. Those after the war are green. A Frankie, but I'd not worry about it.

The cap bands are missing from the War years, so they tried to strengthen the plastic by pressing the often xxxxxxx or llllllll imprint.

In March of '43, the fountain pen companies were told no more fountain pen past May '43.

 

That CN nib should be at least semi-flex perhaps more, because of the little sawn semi-circles at the breather hole. They were referred to often as  'flexi' nibs.

 

I'm sure my CN nib didn't have that semicircles, and is only regular flex. I'd bought a loose CN nib... back when I was newer.

That was before I got my post war 100n with a first stage semi-flex...Easy Full Flex; gold nib.

Other than a small k  (kugle) on the nib, not marked, would guess EF.

 

The Germans went over to Plastic Gasket 1.0 in @ 1939, in Portugal was on the other side of the War. The slightly sturdier Plastic Gasket 2.0 came in @ 1955. That's the still current plastic gasket. 

 

Both the Ibis and the 100n were made up to and I think including 1954.

Not overly expensive for the 100n, but not a bargain. Enjoy the pen, it has a nice girth, and posted is long enough and balances well.

Mine has two thin bands instead of the thick band someone else showed.

 

If I'd turned left at an indoor flea market we set up table at, I could have been a real Somegi.....I'd offered E5 for it and got it......but some Gent had told her it was an expensive pen, and it took me a while to get it for E20....so became a Somegi's Uncle.  It had been a pen I never expected to own....hadn't even looked for one.............like the '50-54 400 which were then over my price border.

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 20:12

Looks like a NN. The nib is a OB for sure.

I hesitated to bet on this pen since the seller wouldn't tell me about that mark on the nib (I asked twice). Most likely an ink stain, but I couldn't say for sure from the pics. I ended buying an OBB for a little more money. Please, let me know how the pen is and behave!

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 22:27

Thanks for the schooling Bo Bo . Too bad about the wrong color ink window but It will write just the same I guess . Might find the correct body to go with the war time cap someday , who knows . I don't really collect as such so it's not as big a deal to me that it's not all original , I just have certain ones of the Pelikan's that I want to own and then I won't be buying anymore unless I find my $5.00 Super Maxiflex fleamarket pen . I am , if these are all good pens , about at that point now . Might get an Olivine just because they are affordable and should be a good one to have several different nibs for but other than that , I think I am good for now . Might try to find some nids for what I have since they are so easy to swap out . 

 

Namo,

 

I will let you know about the nib and other aspects of the 400NN when it gets here . I yhink I would have better luck finding an OB nib for it than I woul any of the other two so if one has to be bad let it be that one . Hopefully it is ink . I have bought from this seller before and been happy with the items so far .

 

Thanks to all for the kind words .

 

Eddie


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Posted 12 November 2018 - 00:45

Nice flock you got coming in.  Sounds as if they were pretty good prices, too.  I think I'm jealous....

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 01:28

Next Bird is a 100 from WWII .

A German WWII Fountain Pen with instructions written in English?



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Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:40

A German WWII Fountain Pen with instructions written in English?

 

All but the pen is his background display and has nothing to do with the pen I am getting . Gonna have to check into the WWII angle on this pen since BO Bo and several other sources say amber window only for WWII era 100's . Problem is a reliable source that is referenced on here quite often shoes one just like the one I am getting , with the green ink window as WWII . It has the same war era cap as mine but has the splined filler cap instead of the smooth .

 

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 11:43

Have fun writing, and the CN nib may just be the maxi-semi-flex or even a superflex. Even if 'only' an Easy Full Flex, superflex it is still a fun nib to scribble with.

It IS a 100n, and I'd not nit pick, green and amber, if one was to fall my way.

 

At first I thought mine with a gold nib to be pre 'summer of '38, when Hitler stole the gold, first year 100n, but later I read that it was amber before and green after the war. The pen writes just fine and the Easy Full Flex nib a delight.

 

If one goes to Richard Binder's site, there is a great article on metal fatigue, which I call how to spring your nib.

My 100n's KEF nib will go 5X tine spread. After reading that article I strive to keep all my nibs from maxing often. I keep that Pelikan to 4 X....which is good enough considering.

 

So after testing that CN nib with the 'grin' flex, to find out how far it will flex, do mark down in your mind to keep it one width narrower than that..........to prevent metal fatigue and a sprung nib. My 100n will go 5 X but I strive to keep it at 4X.

 

Some good poster posted to a thread, that in the '30's, Waterman was going for nib bend, not tine spread. They were looking at 3 X tine spread................on all those Pinks and what ever color nibs that are routinely taken to 7X...........which is rare, 4, 5-6 are much more common, are all over stressed.

 

All I have is a Italic Calligraphy book, it deals with stiff  italic nibs and lettering. But once one has learned to draw a letter, one gets close to the same  letter form with a pulling superflex as with a pushing italic nib................In superflex my favorite letter is a capitol L, with a nib that goes wide I get an English handlebar mustache, with a nib that don't go real wide a Snidely Whiplash mustache.

 

One has to spend time learning to draw letters to get the most out of a superflex. Not every letter need be max drawn. Where do I turn the nib, where do I increase pressure and width, where do I let up to let the nib snap back. :unsure: :wacko: :rolleyes: :blush: Being lazy, I have a hammer and chisel to crack the fossilized dust rust shut book........one does have to practice Drawing letters to do fancy.

All I do is an occasional fancy decender at the end of a paragraph or a fancy crossed T. :rolleyes:

Practice and fancy comes easier.

 

I am lucky but got two 7 X and a 6X Waterman 52, from Mauricio; one's body a tad thinner than the other, I have to sweat to make it write XXF, think to make it write EF and commonly scribble with it at an F.....in my Hand is not quite as light as I could wish.

 

He says it takes a great deal of finicky work to set the feed and nib to get max out of them.

This is superflex with a slick fast feed.....with a Knox nib....one is not really working with a fast feed, nor does it matter if one is a hair off, in one is not looking for max superflex.

 

So don't go yanking out the nib of your CN nib....could well be when you shove everything back together it won't be quite as good as it was before, in the feed and nib won't be as perfectly fit as it was. The 100/100n's three comb/rill feed is faster than the '50-65 four comb feed.

 

I was very surprised both the 100n and Ibis were made to 1954.

 

:headsmack: Don't forget the Ibis, I'd thought it more a 120 type of pen and never worried about one. :wallbash:A bit Snobbish.... :( 

One was part of a live auction lot. :o Gold nib............... :yikes: Maxi-semi-flex.

Well one could get a semi-flex just as easy...............not a real pretty pen, but works like a champ; balances well when posted.

Now would be the time to start looking for them, before they get expensive.

I'm going to have to look for the old Rappen, the cheap Pelikan before the Ibis. One could think of the Ibis as a sort of 140...the second tier Pelikans.

I'm not going to beat the bushes for a Rappen, but would keep it in mind.


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Posted 13 November 2018 - 18:35

I am new in posting there, so firstly warm greetings to all fp. lovers and especially Pelikans:)

 

Eddie, you getting to have nice collection of vintage Pelikans. The WW II 100 Pelikan you get from me on ebay and I would like argue some comments:

1) the barrel colour from 1940 was changed to light green and in 1942 the cap with engraved bands was started to use. You can check this on great web source by Dominic Rothemel.

https://www.pelikan-.../100/index.html.

2) the CN nib on this pen was without any marks (common for chromium nibs), but writes like medium with semi flex .. to broad. I tested couple days this pen, but I am not so experienced as Bo Bo Olson to recognize flexibility. I juts expect that you will find enough smoothness and flexibility for your hand writing.

 

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 00:42

Giedrius, 

 

  This is the site I mentioned in response to your email . As you say Rothemel's time line says 41 - 42 the barrel material was changed and the WWII cap came into being. Also as of 1943 the new seal was used . Mine as you stated has the new seal style and obviously the green would be the new material so probably a 1943 pen ? Does anyone know when they changed from ribbed filler knob to the smooth ?  Glad to have you here , come around often . I meant to edit my description to delete the shipping from Germany and change to Lithuania but the forum would not allow it at the time it was noticed .

 

  Best Regards <*)))))><

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 00:57

Bo Bo , 

 

The last pen is a 100N . The pen I an getting from Giedrius is a 100 no N . It would have the tapered filler cap if it were an N .

 

Also for the record what I thought was a pint size of the Stephens Scarlet is in fact a quart or more . Lucky me !


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Posted 15 November 2018 - 13:56

Love! Such a cool and classic box, too!


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Posted 16 November 2018 - 08:17

 

All but the pen is his background display and has nothing to do with the pen I am getting .

Since the "instructions" background and the writing sample only appear with that pen it is logical to assume that the Seller intended them to be applicable and appropriate for that pen.



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Posted 16 November 2018 - 11:31

Remark is logical. I will take that in consideration.

Thanks.







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