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J. Herbin - Lie De Thé (Perle Des Encres)

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 18:16

J. Herbin - Lie de Thé

 

La Société Herbin, Maître Cirier à Paris, was established in 1670. This makes J. Herbin probably the oldest name among European ink makers. Today, Herbin produces a range of beautiful fountain pen and calligraphy inks, writing instruments, gift sets and accessories. Herbin inks are made in France, and the finishing touches on the bottles are still done by hand in Paris.

 

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J. Herbin is probably best known for their inks in the "La Perle des Encres" series. In this review, the spotlight shines on one of the stars in this line-up: the gorgeous golden-brown Lie de Thé. This ink immediately grabs the attention with its wonderful colour - a golden brown with yellow-orange undertones. This is a soft brown with tons of character and a tremendous colour range, ranging from a whispy sepia-tone to almost black-brown when fully saturated. The ink looks great on most paper types (Moleskine excepted), and exhibits elegant shading without too much contrast between the light and darker parts. J.Herbin truly scored a winner with this one. 

 

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The ink has quite satisfactory lubrication, even in drier pens like my Lamy Safari. With wetter pens like my Pelikan Smoky Quartz with B-nib, the ink leaves a very saturated brown line, and loses a bit of its golden qualities. To illustrate the broad colour span of Lie de Thé, I did a swab on Tomoe River paper where I really saturated portions of the paper with ink. This beautifully illustrates the ink's broad colour range. This J. Herbin ink moves effortlessly from a very light sepia to a very dark, almost black brown.

 

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On the smudge test - rubbing text with a moist Q-tip cotton swab - the ink behaved perfectly, with only minimal smearing. Water resistance is amazing - the ink effortlessly survived even longer exposures to water. Really well executed! This is also apparent from the lower part of the chromatography, which shows that the grey components of the ink remain on the paper. If you need a water-resistant ink, Lie de Thé certainly fits the bill. This is an ink that will be at home in the workplace. 

 

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Lie de Thé dries relatively fast on more absorbent papers (5-10 second range), but takes significantly longer on less absorbent paper. On Tomoe River e.g. the drying time is about 25 seconds with my relatively dry Lamy Safari with M-nib. I've tested the ink on a wide variety of paper - from crappy Moleskine to high-end Tomoe River. On each scrap of paper I show you:
  • An ink swab, made with a cotton Q-tip
  • 1-2-3 pass swab, to show increasing saturation
  • An ink scribble made with a Lamy Safari M-nib fountain pen
  • The name of the paper used, written with a Lamy Safari B-nib
  • A small text sample, written with an M-nib
  • Drying times of the ink on the paper (with the M-nib)
Lie de Thé looks great on both white and more yellowish paper. I didn't detect any noticeable feathering, not even on the notoriously bad Moleskine paper. With Moleskine paper, there is however significant show-through and bleed-through - not unexpected for this fountain-pen unfriendly paper. 
 
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Writing with different nib sizes
The picture below shows the effect of nib sizes on the writing. All samples were written with a Lamy Safari, which is typically a dry pen. I also added a visiting pen - my very wet Pelikan M200 Smoky Quartz with a B-nib. Here the ink leaves a very saturated line, which leans towards black-brown, unfortunately taking away some of the golden-brown beauty that appears with less wet pens.

 

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Related inks
To compare Lie de Thé with related inks, I use a nine-grid format with the currently reviewed ink at the center. This format shows the name of related inks, a saturation sample, a 1-2-3 swab and a water resistance test - all in a very compact format. I hope that you'll find this way of presenting related inks useful. It's a bit more work, but in my opinion worth the effort for the extra information you gain.
 
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Inkxperiment – Autumn Village
As a personal challenge, I try to create interesting drawings using only the ink I'm reviewing. I find this to be a fun extension of the hobby, and these single-ink drawings often present a real challenge. It also gives you an idea of what the ink is capable of in a more artistic setting. For this abstract autumn village, I got my inspiration from some pics I found on Pinterest. The drawing was done on 200 gsm cold-pressed watercolour paper. To create the different tones in the picture, I used different ink-water ratios (from 1:20 for the really light parts, to 1:2 for the darker parts). The rooftops were done with pure Lie de Thé. The end result gives you a good idea of what Lie de Thé is capable of in a more artistic setting.
 
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Conclusion
J. Herbin Lie de Thé is a gorgeous golden-brown ink, that pleasantly surprised me on all fronts: a beautiful colour, great shading, good saturation - and all this even in finer nibs. The ink also has great water resistance, which is a plus if you want to use it in the workplace. This is an ink that deserves a place in anybody's ink collection - recommended!
 
Technical test results on Rhodia N° 16 notepad paper, written with Lamy Safari, M-nib
 
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Backside of writing samples on different paper types

 

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 18:49

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 19:11

One of my favorites from J Herbin. There was a time when I didn't think I liked brown inks (too many red-browns early on...), but this helped change my mind. This is currently one of the inks in my watercolor palette, and it's a good match for some of the autumnal browns around here. It's excellent as a writing ink, too, of course.



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Posted 29 October 2018 - 19:28

WOW!

 

If I didn't already have one of the larger bottles of this ink to back up the regular sized bottle, I would be "a hunting!'  

 

Thank you for a beautiful review of a great ink, worthy of your talent & expression.



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Posted 29 October 2018 - 19:56

very nice review of a great ink...

and concerning the moleskine....

Not even pencil stripes look good on that..

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 02:02

interesting how much shading shows up with yours. my bottle is a very smooth, cream-brown color that has almost zero shading in any pen I've ever tried.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 02:49

This is an impressive ink, and your review displays capabilities I hadn’t realized. A great review.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 04:39

Great review. I have this ink and was also looking at Pelikan Smoky Quartz, but I can see from your review that they are very similar, so I dont need to buy it. My wallet thanks you.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 05:43

Great review. I have this ink and was also looking at Pelikan Smoky Quartz, but I can see from your review that they are very similar, so I dont need to buy it. My wallet thanks you.

 

I initially thought the same thing until I got a bottle of smoky quartz. Lie de thé is much softer and more coffee with milk colored, smoky quartz is more of a brown-black with more dramatic shading. The two actually feel and look very different. I wouldn't call one over the other, but between the two, I reach for smoky quartz a little more often.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 15:43

Interesting, I've never seen it this dusky... To complement this excellent review, here in the squares with Yama Guri and Inti:

 

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I've long had this ink, even got an additional 100ml bottle, but eventually I had to accept I like the concept of tea dregs more than the colour, not that there's anything wrong with it. It's a great alternative for those of us who sometimes find black too morbid.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 16:32

Thanks for the review! 

 

On a side note, how old is your swab of KWZ IG Gold in the related inks section? 


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 19:34

On a side note, how old is your swab of KWZ IG Gold in the related inks section?

In my swab-book - KWZI IG Gold seemed a good match for Lie de Thé. But it turns out my bottle has turned bad, since it’s more of a grey now. I got word back from KWZI Ink that this is absolutely not normal behaviour, and they will replace my bottle. Since I had almost finished the related ink swabs at that time, I didn’t redo them without the KWZI ink.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 19:40

I initially thought the same thing until I got a bottle of smoky quartz. Lie de thé is much softer and more coffee with milk colored, smoky quartz is more of a brown-black with more dramatic shading. The two actually feel and look very different. I wouldn't call one over the other, but between the two, I reach for smoky quartz a little more often.


For a side-by-side comparison, see http://www.fountainp...rbin-lie-de-the . Personally, I agree that Smoky Quartz has a slight edge over Lie de Thé.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 19:42

I love your reviews!



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Posted 30 October 2018 - 20:22

Excellent ink. Even more awesome is your review. Now if anybody never heard of this ink and/or thought it wasn't "okay"..........................

 

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 21:54

Great review of a great ink, thank you :)

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 22:15

I pretty much like this ink. My wife on the other hand says it looks like... poo.



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Posted 02 November 2018 - 06:13

Brown inks are an acquired taste. My wife hated her "brown" MINI that I insisted we get for her. Took a few months, but now she loves the metallic brown and hot chocolate leather with white piping.


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