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#1 pajaro

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 21:10

I was trying to figure out if some of the Esterbrooks have any value, and I found this listing:

 

https://www.ebay.com...=p2047675.l2557

 

So, I am guessing they are worth very little.


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Posted 16 October 2018 - 23:14

Someone got a pretty good deal. This pen restored at a pen show would go $35-45 easily, in my opinion.


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Posted 16 October 2018 - 23:46

Dang.  I wish I had spotted the listing. :wallbash:  While I would have preferred a 9212 nib, those seem to be exceedingly rare.  And the pen itself is a blue....

The end of September I was poking around some antiques stores in Westfield, NY (top end of Lake Chautaqua) and picked up a "root beer" J for ten bucks.  The 1555 nib was pretty mangled, but I've got spare nib units.  

Yeah, PAKMAN is right -- someone got a deal.

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#4 pajaro

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 00:44

Dang.  I wish I had spotted the listing. :wallbash:  While I would have preferred a 9212 nib, those seem to be exceedingly rare.  And the pen itself is a blue....

The end of September I was poking around some antiques stores in Westfield, NY (top end of Lake Chautaqua) and picked up a "root beer" J for ten bucks.  The 1555 nib was pretty mangled, but I've got spare nib units.  

Yeah, PAKMAN is right -- someone got a deal.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

Ask Corgicoupe about the 9312.  I lent mine to him, plus the 2312, and he prefers the 2312.  So do I.  There might be something odd about my 9312.  I was surprised to see the sale of 2312 pen for $15.  The NOS 2312 nib cost $35.  I found the little box for it the other day.  There are some vintage and more current italics that are as good:  Sheaffer S-1 for Cadet, Sheaffer Prelude italics.  You see these on ebay from time to time. 


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Posted 17 October 2018 - 03:28

Dang.  I wish I had spotted the listing. :wallbash:  While I would have preferred a 9212 nib, those seem to be exceedingly rare.  And the pen itself is a blue....

The end of September I was poking around some antiques stores in Westfield, NY (top end of Lake Chautaqua) and picked up a "root beer" J for ten bucks.  The 1555 nib was pretty mangled, but I've got spare nib units.  

Yeah, PAKMAN is right -- someone got a deal.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

Nice find.  This is why I still haunt antique stores.  I was in the same shop in late June and found only a Mars pen that was clearly a copy of the "51."  Cracked hood, messed up nib and loose clip all for only $85.00 US. 


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Posted 17 October 2018 - 13:27

I would want to see a 9312 before purchase. The 2312 is simple and straightforward. As Pajaro said, I preferred it over the 9312.


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#7 pajaro

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 16:40

Nice find.  This is why I still haunt antique stores.  I was in the same shop in late June and found only a Mars pen that was clearly a copy of the "51."  Cracked hood, messed up nib and loose clip all for only $85.00 US. 

To be clear, I didn't buy the Esterbrook with the 2312 for $15.00 in the link.  I just found that doing some research on ebay.  I was trying to guage the rarity of the italic nibs.  I would think they are a little uncommon, and 2312 and 9312 are both probably $25 to $50 nibs, possibly depending on how worn down they are.  I bought the 2312 NOS for $35 several years ago, and the 9312 for about $37 NOS around 2012.  Some modern italics are cheaper and are about as good as a 2312.  A Lamy Safari italic is a little sharper at the edges, but you could work that out.  If I just wanted an italic nib, I don't know that I would choose 2312 or 9312.  Sheaffer made an italic set for Prelude that I found on ebay, fine, medium and music italic sections, converter, Prelude stainless pen and ink.  Around $15 in a tin.  I think 2312 and 9312 are mainly good for Esterbrook Collections, but the 2312 is fun to use.


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Posted 17 October 2018 - 20:30

I have only seen one 9312 nib for sale on eBay (and it was sort of "nose-bleed level" priced :().   And before that I'd met someone who is a calligrapher from Portland OR who had an Estie with a 9312 nib (it's the first time I'd ever even seen one, although I knew they existed).  She was excited that I knew what an Esterbrook pen was -- and then I saw the nib and just goggled....

Basically I'm trying to get a complete set of 9xxx nibs, so I can see what ones I like and don't like -- and then I can start paring down the stash.  And the advantage of that series is that they've got tipping.  At this point I have most of them; I'm missing 9312 (expensive) and a couple of the 9314 Relief nibs (okay, I do have a 9314 F, but it looks as if there's a crack in one tine).  And I've seen references to something that's a "9650 Medium (Manifold)" -- but can't tell if it's just a typo for 9460 Medium Manifold).

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 21:09

I have only seen one 9312 nib for sale on eBay (and it was sort of "nose-bleed level" priced :().   And before that I'd met someone who is a calligrapher from Portland OR who had an Estie with a 9312 nib (it's the first time I'd ever even seen one, although I knew they existed).  She was excited that I knew what an Esterbrook pen was -- and then I saw the nib and just goggled....

Basically I'm trying to get a complete set of 9xxx nibs, so I can see what ones I like and don't like -- and then I can start paring down the stash.  And the advantage of that series is that they've got tipping.  At this point I have most of them; I'm missing 9312 (expensive) and a couple of the 9314 Relief nibs (okay, I do have a 9314 F, but it looks as if there's a crack in one tine).  And I've seen references to something that's a "9650 Medium (Manifold)" -- but can't tell if it's just a typo for 9460 Medium Manifold).

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That's interesting.  The 9xxx nibs with tipping are usually recommended for long term durability.  My 9312 never felt as smooth as the two 2312s I have.  I thought I would send it to a nib person to have it checked out for stuff like baby's bottom.  It's possible the nib wasn't properly finished at the Esterbrook factory.  It was NOS before I put ink to it.  One of the 2312s came in a pen, and use might have rendered it smooth.  The 9314 nibs are left obliques.  The broad ones are pleasant.  Early on I chanced to buy four 9314-F nibs NOS.  They are very nice.  Some people did borrow them through the loaner program we had.  I was surprised no one ever asked to borrow the 9312 or 2312 when we had that program.  I think I had them on the list.


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 01:11

After reading this thread, I looked in my Spare Nibs Box.

I discovered a few NOS, boxed 2314M nibs (Relief Medium Stub) and a NOS, boxed 2284 nib (Broad Stub).

 

I have a 2314M in a Grey J and enjoy using it for note taking. It's really quite smooth and wet!

 

Alas, I must have 50+ assorted Js, SJs, and LJs stuffed in two boxes, all pens I've picked up for under $10 (that's my Esterbrook rule) while hunting other pens. They seem to pop up nearly as often as the "Wherevers."



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Posted 23 October 2018 - 18:41

How did I miss this one?   :huh:



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Posted 23 October 2018 - 19:46

How did I miss this one?   :huh:

 

 

 

You went to the Other Side (and bought a Sheaffer set)!



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Posted 23 October 2018 - 20:03

Ahhhh....well, I was bidding on a set of 4 of these nibs (the UK gold versions) last week.  I just didn't want to spend that much on them.



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Posted 24 October 2018 - 16:13

Well, maybe better than I thought:  https://www.ebay.com...5.m43663.l10137

 

9312 and 2312 are just seldom in the market.


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